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Can't catch a break

Post by nocows » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:14 am

Went out this afternoon and seen a cow nursing another cow :( I know what I have to do but it just sucks...... she's a good mama and she's raising one heck of a bull calf. I bought her in a small group via private treaty. I was told he was switching to registered cattle that's the only reason he was selling this group. I'd say he knew what she was up to and sent her down the road.

So now my question is should I sell her and the calf as a pair/possibly a 3 n 1 or wean her calf early and send her to the sale barn? The calf was born at the end of February.



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Re: Can't catch a break

Post by backhoeboogie » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:30 am

I'd sale the cow nursing and the cow letting her nurse. There are a lot of great cows out there you could replace these with.
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Re: Can't catch a break

Post by Katpau » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:40 am

I guess the question is, are you willing to pass the problem on? If you sell her as a pair, she will probably do this in the next herd. If you sell at auction, I expect the buyer may break the pair up and resell the calf anyway. You usually get more money that way. I would either wean early or separate her and her calf from the herd for another month until the calf is a little bigger. I prefer calves to be 5-6 months when I wean, but weaning at 4 months is not uncommon in some situations.

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Re: Can't catch a break

Post by nocows » Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:58 am

I can separate her and the calf for the next month or two until he's ready to wean, I will take her to the sale barn and let them know she's a milk thief. I'd say she'll sell as a kill/weigh cow, I don't want her to disappoint someone else.

Just frustrating that people aren't honest... I tend to give most people the benefit of the doubt in situations. I'm having a hard time believing the feller I bought her from wasn't aware of the situation. Either way it's a done deal I'll take care of the situation and move on down the road.

On to the next one........ :cboy:

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Re: Can't catch a break

Post by ALACOWMAN » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:14 pm

What mineral do you use,or was he using.. Could be a bad habit or she could be craving something..she ain't getting..
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Re: Can't catch a break

Post by Fire Sweep Ranch » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:19 pm

I would put a nose blab in her until you sell her to keep her from sucking other cows.
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Re: Can't catch a break

Post by nocows » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:21 pm

ALACOWMAN wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:14 pm
What mineral do you use,or was he using.. Could be a bad habit or she could be craving something..she ain't getting..
I'm using some Hi Mag mineral from our local Co-op I was using some mineral that had Altosid in it for fly control but recently switched to the Hi Mag as they've been on lush green grass. I always have it available to them free choice of course.

Nutrient Analysis
Calcium (Ca), not less than 12.5%
Calcium (Ca), not more than 15.0%
Phosphorus (P), not less than 5.00%
Salt (NaCl), not less than 14.0%
Salt (NaCl), not more than 16.0%
Sodium, not less than 4.5%
Sodium, not more than 5.5%
Magnesium (Mg), not less than 10.0%
Copper (Cu), not less than 711 PPM
Selenium (Se), not less than 18.8 PPM
Zinc (Zn), not less than 3,571 PPM
Manganese (Mn), not less than 2,349 PPM
Iodine (I), not less than 70 PPM
Vitamin A, not less than 40,000 IU/LB
Vitamin D, not less than 5,000 IU/LB
Vitamin E, not less than 77 IU/LB

This is the first time I've ever caught her doing something like this but I'm not watching them 24/7 she acted like it wasn't her first time she got directly behind the cow and was sucking while the calf was already nursing from the side.

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Re: Can't catch a break

Post by Red Bull Breeder » Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:30 pm

I can't break her from sucking but i can tell you how to break the other cows from letting her suck. Get a halter that will fit her and drive a couple of rows of horse shoe nail threw the nose band. I wrap the nose band with duct tape after i drive the nails threw it.

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Re: Can't catch a break

Post by BC » Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:53 pm

Get one of these and put in her nose.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht ... mrc&uact=8

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Re: Can't catch a break

Post by greybeard » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:45 am

BC wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:53 pm
Get one of these and put in her nose.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht ... mrc&uact=8
I've seen them with some spiky things along the edges which would probably work better, assuming she hasn't done this song and dance before somewhere else and figures out how to get rid of it.
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Re: Can't catch a break

Post by Redgully » Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:23 am

greybeard wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:45 am
BC wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 10:53 pm
Get one of these and put in her nose.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht ... mrc&uact=8
I've seen them with some spiky things along the edges which would probably work better, assuming she hasn't done this song and dance before somewhere else and figures out how to get rid of it.
They work out pretty quickly to just flick them up.

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Re: Can't catch a break

Post by Red Bull Breeder » Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:49 am

Never had any luck with the stick it in there nose crap. You can't leave the dang things in for very long. Use the halter with the nails you can leave it on longer and it works 100%. The nose blabs might work and might not.

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Re: Can't catch a break

Post by cowrancher75 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 5:53 am

nocows wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:58 am
I can separate her and the calf for the next month or two until he's ready to wean, I will take her to the sale barn and let them know she's a milk thief. I'd say she'll sell as a kill/weigh cow, I don't want her to disappoint someone else.

Just frustrating that people aren't honest... I tend to give most people the benefit of the doubt in situations. I'm having a hard time believing the feller I bought her from wasn't aware of the situation. Either way it's a done deal I'll take care of the situation and move on down the road.

On to the next one........ :cboy:

yea i've bought a lot of animals off individuals and most of them were culls.. they will lie to your face and not give a crap. the goat people are the worst. sheep people are pretty bad..

my rule after losing thousands is never buy from anyone with less than 50 hd.

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Re: Can't catch a break

Post by Workinonit Farm » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:38 pm

cowrancher75 wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 5:53 am



yea i've bought a lot of animals off individuals and most of them were culls.. they will lie to your face and not give a crap. the goat people are the worst. sheep people are pretty bad..

my rule after losing thousands is never buy from anyone with less than 50 hd.
This is unfortunate, but sadly true in most cases. Been there done that.

The few that I have sold 'private treaty' I fully disclosed WHY I was off-loading the animal. 1 cow decided, after 3 days, that she didn't want to be a mother anymore. 1 cow didn't breed back. 1 cow had a very bad attitude. The people bought them anyhow, they said they were willing to take the chance. One was a repeat buyer. :) I prefer to be able to look at myself in the mirror & be able to sleep at night.

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Re: Can't catch a break

Post by Workinonit Farm » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:43 pm

nocows wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:14 am

So now my question is should I sell her and the calf as a pair/possibly a 3 n 1 or wean her calf early and send her to the sale barn? The calf was born at the end of February.
I'd haul them to the stockyard together, they'll split & sell separately. This way you'll be done with them.
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