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Re: Any advice

Post by Montanaidiot » Tue May 26, 2020 9:07 pm

So I feel like I'm doing this all wrong. I have them with starter feed that they have been putting down pretty good. There is hay in there and I think they just nibble on it. I was feeding twice a day and slowly dropping the amount of milk. Then a day ago i stopped feeding in the morning and upped the milk at night. They have been eating at least 3 or 4 big scoops of starter a day. So maybe 6-8lbs? I have a bag of creep feed I have been mixing in just cause I accidently bought it.

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Re: Any advice

Post by Rafter S » Wed May 27, 2020 7:26 am

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Re: Any advice

Post by Montanaidiot » Wed May 27, 2020 7:36 am

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800 in calves
400 in milk
100 vacinations & other meds
100 vet visit
100 hay
100 in starter feed

I am not a smart man.....

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Re: Any advice

Post by Katpau » Wed May 27, 2020 11:02 am

So $1600 on two calves, not counting labor...or the value of your pasture for grazing. $800 each and they are about 6 weeks old. Hopefully these are beef calves and will be worth at least $1.50 a pound and will weigh 533 pounds when sold at 7 months. You would then break even on your current out of pocket costs. Yep, that's the cattle business. It was a good lesson and I'm sure you learned a lot, and hopefully you enjoyed at least some of it.

Bottle calves seem to have been overpriced for too many years. When they sold for less than $100 you could make a little money, but if you're paying half what they will be worth in 6 months for new born calves, there is no way to turn a profit.
The truth is over the last 5-6 years most of us would have made a lot more money just leasing our pastures out to someone else and letting them do all the work and lose their money, while keeping the agricultural status for real estate taxes.

Most cattle people do it because they enjoy it. It is a tough business if you're hoping to receive reasonable compensation for all of your hard work.

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Re: Any advice

Post by Montanaidiot » Thu May 28, 2020 8:08 pm

Do they look a little pot bellied? They are way more cool with not having a morning bottle. And are eating about 10lbs of starter a day for the both of them.

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Re: Any advice

Post by Montanaidiot » Thu May 28, 2020 8:31 pm

Katpau wrote:
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So $1600 on two calves, not counting labor...or the value of your pasture for grazing. $800 each and they are about 6 weeks old. Hopefully these are beef calves and will be worth at least $1.50 a pound and will weigh 533 pounds when sold at 7 months. You would then break even on your current out of pocket costs. Yep, that's the cattle business. It was a good lesson and I'm sure you learned a lot, and hopefully you enjoyed at least some of it.

Bottle calves seem to have been overpriced for too many years. When they sold for less than $100 you could make a little money, but if you're paying half what they will be worth in 6 months for new born calves, there is no way to turn a profit.
The truth is over the last 5-6 years most of us would have made a lot more money just leasing our pastures out to someone else and letting them do all the work and lose their money, while keeping the agricultural status for real estate taxes.

Most cattle people do it because they enjoy it. It is a tough business if you're hoping to receive reasonable compensation for all of your hard work.
I am getting a ton of enjoyment out of it. I dont care if I dont make a dime. I stop by the barn before I even go to the house after work. Lol. I just want happy healthy grass puppies.

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Re: Any advice

Post by sstterry » Fri May 29, 2020 4:48 am

Do they have access to grass at all?

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Re: Any advice

Post by Buck Randall » Fri May 29, 2020 7:17 am

They look good to me.

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Re: Any advice

Post by greggy » Fri May 29, 2020 8:12 am

Montanaidiot wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 9:07 pm
So I feel like I'm doing this all wrong. I have them with starter feed that they have been putting down pretty good. There is hay in there and I think they just nibble on it. I was feeding twice a day and slowly dropping the amount of milk. Then a day ago i stopped feeding in the morning and upped the milk at night. They have been eating at least 3 or 4 big scoops of starter a day. So maybe 6-8lbs? I have a bag of creep feed I have been mixing in just cause I accidently bought it.

I cant thank all of you enough for all the help!!!
do not over feed milk any any one sitting.

if they are eating that much quality pellet each, and you were doing 2 quarts morning and 2 quarts night, 2 quarts once a day is fine.

They do not look pot bellied in the shots.

Nibbling hay is fine, you do not want them wolfing down lots of hay.

Your on track from what I can tell.

Read your pellet packs for intake req.....also look at the milk, it will prob set out how much pellet before you can cut the twice daily or to wean...but I can tell you some milk will help them along no matter how well they are taking other feed, it is your money & your calves.

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Re: Any advice

Post by Montanaidiot » Fri May 29, 2020 8:37 am

sstterry wrote:
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Do they have access to grass at all?

Should they? I can certainly turn them out on a little 2 acre pasture or let them go on everything.

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Re: Any advice

Post by kenny thomas » Fri May 29, 2020 9:45 am

Montanaidiot wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 8:37 am
sstterry wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 4:48 am
Do they have access to grass at all?

Should they? I can certainly turn them out on a little 2 acre pasture or let them go on everything.
I like the idea of turning them out in the 2 acre pasture. At least turn them out during the day for a while. I always felt that the sun made all animals feel better. Including myself.
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Re: Any advice

Post by 76 Bar » Fri May 29, 2020 9:56 am

Sun and green grass makes for happy cattle.

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Re: Any advice

Post by Katpau » Fri May 29, 2020 10:07 am

They look good in the pictures. I would definitely let them have that 2 acres. Most spring grass is better nutritionally than any hay you are feeding. Give them the chance to learn to be cattle. Two acres should be enough pasture for two small calves for some time, and it will make them easy to find when you come with pellets. They will come to you when you call so you can continue giving them their grain. They associate you with food, so most likely they'll come running as soon as they see you approach. You could still give them a bottle once a day if you want but, you got them April 11th, I believe, so they are almost 7 weeks now. Another week or so would do some good, but if they are eating well, they should do okay without the milk replacer. It would probably be best if you could bottle feed until they are four months, but economically it doesn't make sense. Dairy calves are routinely weaned at 6 to 8 weeks. If I had used up all of the replacer I bought so far, I would quit. Or you could buy another bag and quit when that one is gone. I have not raised as many bottle calves as others, but I always believe in getting them out on grass as soon as possible. My bottle calves have mostly been the unfortunate twin with no cow available to graft. I try to get them back out with their contemporary's on pasture as soon as possible.

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Re: Any advice

Post by Montanaidiot » Fri May 29, 2020 12:45 pm

I ended up getting them march 25th and they were a week old then. So they just turned 10 weeks. I will walk the fence tonight and double sure there is no holes and kick them out in the morning.

After some googling maybe a dewormer treatment just in case?

Those two are my whole herd!!! Ha ha for a week when I gave 2 yearlings coming in for them to hang out with.

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Re: Any advice

Post by MurraysMutts » Fri May 29, 2020 12:53 pm

Agreed! Cut the milk to one feeding.
One bottle, ie 2 qts a day.
If they are eating feed that well, I would cut it to one bottle a day. Wont be long and they can be on feed and grass without milk..
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