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Buying Calves

Post by pricefarm » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:44 pm

Iam getting ready to start buying some calves 4-5 weights. Plan to buy steers but there may be a few bull calves bought as well. These will be coming from the market. Here is what I plan to give them when they are unloaded at my farm

Inforce3, Presponse, Alpha 7 , Dectomax, and Ralgro

Is there anything else or any other brand of vacation that you would recommend over what I plan to use?
Also on the bull calves I plan to just knife cut them , would you do it the first day or wait a few weeks ?



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Re: Buying Calves

Post by cowgal604 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:54 pm

I band my bull calves when they are 6-8 weeks old. Why knife cut?

I am in Canada so brands don't carry over but I use Inforce3 and Covexin 8. Or any 8 way. I give vitamin A&D and selenium to my sickly ones.

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Re: Buying Calves

Post by jschoolcraft86 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:21 pm

Having banded some and knife cut others I think the knife cut leaves them in discomfort for a shorter period of time. I've also never had an issue with one that I cut but I had two get some kind of infection after banding with a callicrate (and to compound things I've cut a significant number more than I've banded). I'm sure the infections were probably a result of user error but the knife has always seemed simpler to me.

Edit: Also, if you band you don't have the option to make calf fries...don't cheat yourself.

To answer the original question about when to do it, I would let them settle in for a week or two so there's not additional stress potentially complicating things.

I like Cattlemaster Gold and I think that would replace the Inforce3 and cover more, but that may just be personal preference or a result of me not doing enough reading before posting.

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Re: Buying Calves

Post by Buck Randall » Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:54 pm

The only thing you're missing from that vaccine protocol is BVD protection. If you're getting calves from a sale barn or mixing cattle from multiple farms, you'll need that. I would substitute One Shot BVD for Presponse to fill that gap. I'd wait around 3 weeks before cutting them to give them time to develop some immunity from the vaccines and reduce their stress levels.

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Re: Buying Calves

Post by TennesseeTuxedo » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:28 pm

Buck Randall wrote:
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The only thing you're missing from that vaccine protocol is BVD protection. If you're getting calves from a sale barn or mixing cattle from multiple farms, you'll need that. I would substitute One Shot BVD for Presponse to fill that gap. I'd wait around 3 weeks before cutting them to give them time to develop some immunity from the vaccines and reduce their stress levels.
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Re: Buying Calves

Post by kenny thomas » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:37 pm

I have a bunch on feed that size that have already been worked. Give me .10 over market and save the trouble. Lol
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Re: Buying Calves

Post by greggy » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:12 pm

re banding, I do not think it bothers them at all....did one this am, he only held his tail down when being touched & that is cause he is not used to contact...

I have done them while drinking milk before, banding, nor needles have them stop on the teat for even a second, needles bother them more IMO.

If you want to see bother, watch a lamb after tail banded.

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Re: Buying Calves

Post by pricefarm » Thu Jan 30, 2020 5:46 am

greggy wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:12 pm
re banding, I do not think it bothers them at all....did one this am, he only held his tail down when being touched & that is cause he is not used to contact...

I have done them while drinking milk before, banding, nor needles have them stop on the teat for even a second, needles bother them more IMO.

If you want to see bother, watch a lamb after tail banded.
I agree banding a calf a few days old they don’t really pay no attention to it but banding a 500 pound calf is alittle different.

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Re: Buying Calves

Post by greggy » Thu Jan 30, 2020 5:49 am

The one I did today was about 250....not done 500....would be too big then...for my bands !

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Re: Buying Calves

Post by snoopdog » Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:12 pm

kenny thomas wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:37 pm
I have a bunch on feed that size that have already been worked. Give me .10 over market and save the trouble. Lol
If I was buying, I'd give you that .10, over avg market price.
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Re: Buying Calves

Post by kenny thomas » Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:16 pm

snoopdog wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:12 pm
kenny thomas wrote:
Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:37 pm
I have a bunch on feed that size that have already been worked. Give me .10 over market and save the trouble. Lol
If I was buying, I'd give you that .10, over avg market price.
I buy the thin calves in the fall and add some of my own off of cows I buy. Get the cows looking better and sell most of them and feed the calves. Got 50 on feed now. Hand feeding so I pay attention to them better. Plus free choice hay.
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Re: Buying Calves

Post by snoopdog » Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:26 pm

That's a good plan, I think. Especially the way this market is, of course depending on cost. I like buying them with the frame, in my opinion that's the money on grass calves.
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Re: Buying Calves

Post by kenny thomas » Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:38 pm

snoopdog wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:26 pm
That's a good plan, I think. Especially the way this market is, of course depending on cost. I like buying them with the frame, in my opinion that's the money on grass calves.
I should add. Most of the bought calves cost 20-70 cents in the fall. A few cost 1.00 weighing less than 300lb.
I could sell now with a big weight gain and a lot higher price. Gonna hold till March I think
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Re: Buying Calves

Post by kenny thomas » Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:43 pm

Everyone laughs as I buy and I laugh all the way to the bank when I sell.
Earlier this fall I bought an Angus/Jersey cross steer weighing 740 for 60. No other bids. 4 weeks later sold him private sale weighing 820 for 1.00. I knew the calf had been in the barn for a week so I got lots of weight gain really quick.
That's $380 profit in a month with maybe $40 in expense.
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Re: Buying Calves

Post by pricefarm » Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:50 am

kenny thomas wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:38 pm
snoopdog wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:26 pm
That's a good plan, I think. Especially the way this market is, of course depending on cost. I like buying them with the frame, in my opinion that's the money on grass calves.
I should add. Most of the bought calves cost 20-70 cents in the fall. A few cost 1.00 weighing less than 300lb.
I could sell now with a big weight gain and a lot higher price. Gonna hold till March I think
How does the small 300 lb calves do? A man has 16 calves around 300 lbs pounds all black for 300$ each. He said they where pull off cull cows a few days ago. Will they grow ? What kind of feed do you feed yours ?

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