Mourning cow - How long does it last?

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Re: Mourning cow - How long does it last?

Post by Nesikep » Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:12 am

Every year in October, I wean, I'm quite certain the cows have a feeling about what's going to happen when I bring them up to the corrals for weaning time.. yet every year they seem exceptionally excited to come up.. I know a lot of them seem pretty tired of a big calf bunting their udder so hard it lifts them off the ground
So I wean them, and of course they're going to bawl for a couple days and do their due diligence of making it seem like they're missing their calves so badly.. but only while the udder is full

This is how hard it is to get them in the corral



Here's a cow that just had twins.. she's SOOO proud of them!
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6 months later, that expression has changed.. "GET THESE THINGS AWAY FROM ME"
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Re: Mourning cow - How long does it last?

Post by MeggieSaunders » Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:48 pm

Update to my mourning cow question.

As many of you told me, the cow’s calling for her calf lasted a few days. The first night was constant mooing. The next day and night she was mooing throughout the day and following me around the pasture - remember i was the one feeding her calf. Nights finally got quieter on the third night and i would hear an occasional “mooooo” and she got quiet.

Of course being the undercover sappy person that I am, I feel sad for her but happy that she’s calmed down.

Thank you all for sharing your thoughts. They all helped alleviate my anxiety and learn something new about cattle.

Meggie


MeggieSaunders wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:53 pm
Hi everyone,

Newbie to CattleToday forum.

The vet helped us put down (and cremated) a calf yesterday because it was sick and blind. Now the mother is wondering around the paddocks mooing and looking for her calf - she started at 2am! She's so determined to find her calf that she's roamed away from the big herd.

When I go out to the pasture the cow will come to me and follow me around. I think she does this because she remembers that I was the one bottle feeding the calf. The cow seems to calm down (lays down and closes her eyes) when I stay with her but as soon as I start walking away begins wandering around and mooing. It's so sad to watch and hear her.

Anyone know how long the mourning period lasts? It's been 16 hours since we took her calf away. I'm stressing out for the cow and I also ask the question because I need my beauty sleep. ;-)

Meggie

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Re: Mourning cow - How long does it last?

Post by farmerjan » Sat Aug 15, 2020 8:45 pm

Thank you for getting back to us. Stick around and contribute any time you want. Again, sorry that you had to go through it but it is one of the things that every single farmer/rancher on here has dealt with at one time or another. Nothing sappy about it, we all feel sorry for our animals when they lose a calf for whatever reason.
When I weaned a calf off my jersey, I had already sold off the other 2 and just left this one on her because she didn't get bred right back ( my decision as to timing with my ankle replacement), she ran around and raised cain for a week every time I drove in with the truck... The calf was over a year and 2/3 as big as her.... and I have had others that might look at me and say, well, is he gone or do I need to look for him???? and just walk away with an "oh, thank goodness" .
Good luck getting her bred back and a more successful year next year.

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Post by MeggieSaunders » Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:00 pm

Thank you, Farmerjan. It seems that every year there is another opportunity to learn something new. We just have to keep on, keeping on.

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Re: Mourning cow - How long does it last?

Post by MeggieSaunders » Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:12 pm

Dsth wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:31 am
:welcome: Gee Meggie; for a newbie, seems like you "stirred the pot" a little bit with your first post. I was born into the dairy business and milked for over forty years before getting into the beef business. I wish that I could have read those dang cows minds to find out why they would kick me so often. I will share my thoughts since I have worked with both dairy and beef. I know some dairy cows were really protective of their newborns but don't remember any that spent much time searching for the calf once they were separated. My beef cows are very different. I have had calves that the vet said would probably not survive because of various reasons but did because the mommy just kept encouraging the calf to get up or nurse or whatever she thought it needed to do. The ones that didn't make it, the cow would act like yours for about three days probably for an average. Can't verify if it is emotions or instincts but I felt sorry for the cows that lost a calf. Seems like you may feel the same based on your post. Hope all works out well for you and welcome to the Cattle today forum.
I had no idea that what i was posting was so controversial. LOL Just wait until my next post: Transporting of Cow-calf pairs. :-0

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Re: Mourning cow - How long does it last?

Post by cowgal604 » Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:10 am

farmerjan wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:41 pm
So why are you raising and selling any cattle if it is cruel to break up the families, if it is cruel to castrate and cause any stress and pain to these animals? If you are getting so much money for the animals you are selling, then you are contributing to the stress and emotional pain they are feeling as they will surely know that they are going to be killed to be "BEEF" for someone to eat. Unless you are a total vegetarian, then you cannot actually promote this article in psychology today... If that is the case, then you should not have more than a few to graze the grass where they can live out their life in peace and freedom. You should not have a bull or breed AI (as that is unnatural) because if you increase the number of animals then you will soon outgrow the natural available feed for them. And if they breed, there will be a certain percentage of bull calves, but it is cruel to band or castrate them.... so then you will have breeding going on unchecked. So where do the cows draw the line in incest with their sons breeding back their sisters and the fathers screwing the daughters????
I never said that the cows didn't feel the loss of their calves. But you are putting human emotions and REASONING on animals that for the most part, are acting on instinct alone. Instinct will have any male breeding any female that is in heat.... where are your human emotions and feelings and reasonings?
And for every act of CRUELTY, I can show you acts of kindness towards animals that have gone above and beyond....

So everytime you sell an animal to someone for beef; or a heifer to someone who can breed her to raise their own beef, stop and think about this article that you are so enamored of. And then go ahead and sell it anyway for the money it will bring you to help pay for you to raise more "healthy, naturally raised animals for consumption".

I also wonder about the chickens that you raise for the eggs, are they also all happy, loose and free ranging hens? How do you think they feel about knowing that their eggs are going to get cracked open and people are going to eat them instead of their poor undeveloped babies never getting a chance to develop and hatch and do "chicken things"???? How would they like to be out in the "natural world" with having to defend themselves from the predators that are out to get them at every turn??? Okay, they are not a "mammal"....

And for all the article did about bashing Temple Grandin.... she has done alot to improve the handling of the animals going for slaughter. She is quite a tribute to people overcoming difficulties in their own life, and having met her in person, I am humbled by her accomplishments.

Maybe I am such a terrible person to like to eat my beef. I would prefer to have traveling abattoirs that would come to the farm and do the killing in more familiar surroundings; but I also realize that there are some things we can control and some we can't. I also do not promote the sale or use of any mind altering substances.... and if it is medically beneficial then there should be some allowance for it.... but too often it is abused. As is alcohol, so I am not saying that should be excused. But I do not believe that a person that raises their livestock in a fitting manner, with care for their well being, should be criticized because they are not meeting a standard that you think should be met. And although it has been said here, by people that have been in both the dairy and beef industries, that the animals do present different attitudes towards their calves, I am not going to project human emotions and attitudes and feelings onto these animals. It is still instinctive for them to look for a lost calf, to want to try to "raise one from the dead" and to miss that calf when it is taken away.....but give them a little time, and they will no longer feel any pull towards that missing animal. And although there are exceptions to every rule.... most cows will not welcome back a "family member", as a human would, that can think and be able to have reasonable thoughts.

This may be a little out of line, and I am sorry if it offends anyone. I have about had my fill of people telling us how to raise our animals in a "humane" manner, then turn around and see the insanity of how people are acting out their "rage" and frustrations in public today. There is no RESPECT for other human beings, or for their right to own something they have worked for....but we are supposed to have respect for cows "feelings" ???? We are supposed to sit and take the garbage that is being dished out by spoiled brats that have never worked their butts off to have a little peace and security in their lives, because they think that their "ancestors" were wronged???? And now we are supposed to listen to some expert on cow's feelings, when he is not out there doing the day to day work; Sorry. When that person has walked the walk and talked the talk, then I will give credence to their "expert opinion".
I don't have the time to read all of this but I skimmed it. Many practices in farming are cruel. Many of the things that are said to be ok here in my opinion are cruel. That's my opinion. You wrote some long winded post about how its not a sad moment to remove a calf from a cow. And that's where I disagree. The best farmers admit the flaws of the practice and they say ya, it does suck. But they do ok, and this is how I help them. The whole crazy vegan movement cant handle these responses and in the end it just ruins the industry.

Instead everyone on this board just argues for their rights to continue on doing things the way they have been done and hey that's up to you all. God forbid anyone ever not be a bigot here.

You literally just wrote an entire post about trying to breakdown my farm and call me cruel and make me feel bad. Relating it back to my chickens and how I do things. Good grief.

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Re: Mourning cow - How long does it last?

Post by MurraysMutts » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:14 pm

I can sure respect both your opinions on all this stuff.
But the simple fact is, EVERYTHING becomes something elses dinner eventually....
And I'm all for humane treatment along the way, but it only goes so far...
Crossbred for high bread vinegar....

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