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Re: Growing corn for feed

Postby True Grit Farms » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:30 pm

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TexasBred wrote:Grit you folks must have a totally different market than over this way. Heck I don't know one single ingredient that would go into a feed that would cost that little other than something like rice hulls or peanut hulls and even they are $50 a ton delivered. Every other ingredient is $130 a ton and up. Cottonseed meal more like $265 a ton.

I'd pay a between $185 (non pellet) to $235 (pellet) for it here.

I just formulate one for the heck of it....16/5 with an extremely low TDN of 55%....ingredient cost alone for this area was $165 a ton. Nothing added for milling, pelleting, bagging or profit. I think I'm living in the wrong part of the country. lol

I'm going down tomorrow to get a wagon full of feed and I'll get a feed analysis then. I'm also going to send a sample off to UGA and have one done on the feed I actually buy. I was told again that the feed is guaranteed to test 14+% protein and 4% fat. He told me again that the feed will test better than 16% protein and 5% fat, but they won't guarantee that. I don't know what the TDN is and forgot to ask, but the price is $145 a ton picked up tomorrow. M5 says his cows do really good on this feed.
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Re: Growing corn for feed

Postby TexasBred » Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:11 pm

True Grit Farms wrote:I'm going down tomorrow to get a wagon full of feed and I'll get a feed analysis then. I'm also going to send a sample off to UGA and have one done on the feed I actually buy. I was told again that the feed is guaranteed to test 14+% protein and 4% fat. He told me again that the feed will test better than 16% protein and 5% fat, but they won't guarantee that. I don't know what the TDN is and forgot to ask, but the price is $145 a ton picked up tomorrow. M5 says his cows do really good on this feed.


Grit are you buying this from a feed mill or elevator?? Can't believe the state allows anyone to sell without a true guaranteed analysis on the product....I'd be more interested in the ingredients in it than the test results.
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Re: Growing corn for feed

Postby ga.prime » Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:43 pm

You can buy corn for well below the cost of growing your own.
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Re: Growing corn for feed

Postby True Grit Farms » Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:48 pm

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True Grit Farms wrote:I'm going down tomorrow to get a wagon full of feed and I'll get a feed analysis then. I'm also going to send a sample off to UGA and have one done on the feed I actually buy. I was told again that the feed is guaranteed to test 14+% protein and 4% fat. He told me again that the feed will test better than 16% protein and 5% fat, but they won't guarantee that. I don't know what the TDN is and forgot to ask, but the price is $145 a ton picked up tomorrow. M5 says his cows do really good on this feed.


Grit are you buying this from a feed mill or elevator?? Can't believe the state allows anyone to sell without a true guaranteed analysis on the product....I'd be more interested in the ingredients in it than the test results.

I'm having problems putting the words to what I'm wanting to say...again. The feed is GUARANTEED to test at least 14% protein and 4% fat. The mill says it will test better, more like 16% protein and 5% fat, but they WON'T guarantee that.
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Re: Growing corn for feed

Postby pricefarm » Sun Nov 26, 2017 7:11 pm

I grow my own corn and pick it and grind to feed my calves and cows some. This is what it cost me this year to raise 2.5 acres. Corn seed was 238$ fertilizer was 345$ spray was 101$. So that's 684$ not including time and diesel fuel. Of that 2.5 acres I picked right at 400 bushels. So that's around 1.71$ per bushel. I have all the equipment to do it and it doesn't take that much time and I enjoy doing it.
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Re: Growing corn for feed

Postby shaz » Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:09 pm

pricefarm wrote:I grow my own corn and pick it and grind to feed my calves and cows some. This is what it cost me this year to raise 2.5 acres. Corn seed was 238$ fertilizer was 345$ spray was 101$. So that's 684$ not including time and diesel fuel. Of that 2.5 acres I picked right at 400 bushels. So that's around 1.71$ per bushel. I have all the equipment to do it and it doesn't take that much time and I enjoy doing it.


Could you put down a lot of chicken litter prior to planting and not have to top dress it with nitrogen later?
Say 2 tons to the acre would give 120lbs actual nitrogen approximately and right around 50lbs phosphate and 40 potash.

Would that work?
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Re: Growing corn for feed

Postby Son of Butch » Mon Nov 27, 2017 6:11 pm

$684 = $274 acre... not including...
diesel fuel, spring tillage, planting, harvesting, drying/storage, fall plowing... so actual cost closer to
$800 or $320 acre to produce 160 bushels = $2.00 bushel

And either land rent or ownership costs would still need to be included to calculate true cost.
180 rent + 320 production = $500 divided by 160 = 3.12 bushel breakeven
180 rent + 274 = $454 = 2.84 bushel breakeven

Elevator is paying 2.85 (basis 55 cents under Chicago) processed and sold as feed 3.85 bushel (45 cents over Chicago)
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Re: Growing corn for feed

Postby pricefarm » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:29 pm

Son of Butch wrote:$684 = $274 acre... not including...
diesel fuel, spring tillage, planting, harvesting, drying/storage, fall plowing... so actual cost closer to
$800 or $320 acre to produce 160 bushels = $2.00 bushel

And either land rent or ownership costs would still need to be included to calculate true cost.
180 rent + 320 production = $500 divided by 160 = 3.12 bushel breakeven
180 rent + 274 = $454 = 2.84 bushel breakeven

Elevator is paying 2.85 (basis 55 cents under Chicago) processed and sold as feed 3.85 bushel (45 cents over Chicago)


That's probably about right. But I don't sell any I feed it all. If I could buy it for 3.85 a bushel I would. Around here shelled corn is selling for around 10$ per 100.
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Re: Growing corn for feed

Postby pricefarm » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:30 pm

shaz wrote:
pricefarm wrote:I grow my own corn and pick it and grind to feed my calves and cows some. This is what it cost me this year to raise 2.5 acres. Corn seed was 238$ fertilizer was 345$ spray was 101$. So that's 684$ not including time and diesel fuel. Of that 2.5 acres I picked right at 400 bushels. So that's around 1.71$ per bushel. I have all the equipment to do it and it doesn't take that much time and I enjoy doing it.


Could you put down a lot of chicken litter prior to planting and not have to top dress it with nitrogen later?
Say 2 tons to the acre would give 120lbs actual nitrogen approximately and right around 50lbs phosphate and 40 potash.

Would that work?


It might work not sure I don't have any experience with chicken litter. I do spread some cow manure on it every year.
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Re: Growing corn for feed

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pricefarm wrote:I grow my own corn and pick it and grind to feed my calves and cows some. This is what it cost me this year to raise 2.5 acres. Corn seed was 238$ fertilizer was 345$ spray was 101$. So that's 684$ not including time and diesel fuel. Of that 2.5 acres I picked right at 400 bushels. So that's around 1.71$ per bushel. I have all the equipment to do it and it doesn't take that much time and I enjoy doing it.

If I could grow that much corn to the acre on dry land around here I'd be a local legend. The best farmers on the best years are lucky to see 100 bu to the acre here. Feed corn cost me $4.50 - $5.00 a bushel around here by the wagon load.
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Re: Growing corn for feed

Postby shaz » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:44 pm

I'm sure he's talking about 400 bushels including ear. Not 400 bushels of kernel.
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Re: Growing corn for feed

Postby True Grit Farms » Tue Nov 28, 2017 4:52 pm

shaz wrote:I'm sure he's talking about 400 bushels including ear. Not 400 bushels of kernel.

I figured that also but a bushel is figured on volume, and a bushel of ear corn is heavier than a bushel of whole corn.
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Re: Growing corn for feed

Postby pricefarm » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:16 pm

True Grit Farms wrote:
shaz wrote:I'm sure he's talking about 400 bushels including ear. Not 400 bushels of kernel.

I figured that also but a bushel is figured on volume, and a bushel of ear corn is heavier than a bushel of whole corn.


Yes 400 bushel of ear corn is the same as 400 bushel of shell corn. A bushel of ear corn weighs more because of the cob. I think a bushel of ear corn weighs around 70lbs ? And a shell corn is 56? Something close to that ...
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Re: Growing corn for feed

Postby Son of Butch » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:14 am

On average 160 bushels of ear corn yields about 130 bushels of shell corn. (124 - 133 bushels depending on moisture)

corn 9.9% CP
corn 89 TDN

ear corn 8.9% CP
ear corn 82 TDN
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Re: Growing corn for feed

Postby rustybottoms88 » Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:12 am

shaz wrote:
pricefarm wrote:I grow my own corn and pick it and grind to feed my calves and cows some. This is what it cost me this year to raise 2.5 acres. Corn seed was 238$ fertilizer was 345$ spray was 101$. So that's 684$ not including time and diesel fuel. Of that 2.5 acres I picked right at 400 bushels. So that's around 1.71$ per bushel. I have all the equipment to do it and it doesn't take that much time and I enjoy doing it.


Could you put down a lot of chicken litter prior to planting and not have to top dress it with nitrogen later?
Say 2 tons to the acre would give 120lbs actual nitrogen approximately and right around 50lbs phosphate and 40 potash.

Would that work?

Actual NPK of litter is so variable its hard to tell but the average analysis for broiler litter in AR is 60-60-40 per ton. I would take a sample into your local extension office and have them send it off for analysis. In AR it cost about $20 for the test. Money well spent IMO. Lost of good conversation here!
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