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Help Newbe With Minimal Corral Design

Postby HML-167 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:04 am

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I tried searching for corral designs but the Photobucket images don't seem to work. Any suggestions for changes? I plan on 6" X 8' posts (3' into ground) 4' apart with cattle panels. 2"X6" boards at the top and bottom of the cattle panels. Chute will be 28" wide with sides of 2" X 6" boards. I would like this corral to be permanent but with the option of adding sorting pens adjacent to this corral later.

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Re: Help Newbe With Minimal Corral Design

Postby LDEnterprises » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:44 pm

When you say cattle panels what kind are you going to use? Better be heavy duty or they won't last to long IMHO.
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Re: Help Newbe With Minimal Corral Design

Postby Rafter S » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:52 pm

1. I'd shorten the chute by 2', making it 16' instead. That should work out better for your post spacing (4 x 4 = 16), and also to let you use 16' long lumber.

2. Add gates where you plan to expand so you don't have to cut the fence and add them in later, especially beside the chute. I'd put one there even if I didn't plan to expand in that direction so you don't have to walk all the way around to go from inside the pen to the end of the chute.

3. And I'd probably hang the gate at the bottom of your drawing so it would swing to the inside instead of the outside. That way it will be up against the fence instead of out in the pasture if you want to leave it open. Even better, let it swing through so it has 180° of movement.
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Re: Help Newbe With Minimal Corral Design

Postby M-5 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:58 pm

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I would add a gate , once in this area you need a way of pushing them down the chute or they will always be backing out.
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Re: Help Newbe With Minimal Corral Design

Postby Brute 23 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:04 pm

8' posts are questionable. I would do 10s... 6 up, 4 down

I don't do the tapered areas before the chute and more. It can be a real PIA. I prefer a Bud Gate.

A slide gate where the chute starts to keep them from backing out and if at all possible a cut gate to the right with the squeeze chute. I would not want to load thru the squeeze chute.
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Re: Help Newbe With Minimal Corral Design

Postby greybeard » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:00 pm

I agree with everyone else's suggestions.
You need some walk in gates so you can get in and out of the working areas without walking way around or climbing over. (I already know you ain't no spring chicken)

I don't really like that big angled funnel area before the sweep gate--too much room for them to run around in on the big end.

You'll be glad you follow Brute's suggestion about the sliding gate at the squeeze alley, and the cut gate to load from. Work em a few times and cattle remember not-so-good things happen in that headgate and morning of the sale is no time to find they don't want to go thru it again to get loaded.

In the gray/green (I'm colorblind) area (holding pen) you may get by with the posts you want to use, but the blue area of the sweep/funnel/squeeze alley is where you want to use big post, tall posts, planted deep and plenty of them. That's where the wrecks generally happen.

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I drew the load chute at an angle because I found my bigger ones had trouble making a 90 deg turn.
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Re: Help Newbe With Minimal Corral Design

Postby Black and Good » Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:00 am

I would add a recapture pen around the chute. If you happen to miss one or have sorting to do after you work them. It also keeps unwanted cattle out of the area such as bulls! B&G
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Re: Help Newbe With Minimal Corral Design

Postby HML-167 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:52 am

I appreciate everyone taking the time to respond to my request for help. I plan on incorporating the changes. It is great to have such experience available on this site.

LDEnterprises - these are the cattle panels I am talking about: https://www.southernstates.com/catalog/ ... el-16.aspx
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Re: Help Newbe With Minimal Corral Design

Postby backhoeboogie » Tue Jul 18, 2017 12:48 pm

I would take out the funnel and just use a medina gate where the 12 foot crowding gate is. They will try to turn around in that funnel.

The cut gate suggested is good.

The sliding or guillotine type gate is good too.

I do have a recapture pen and have had to use it once or twice so that is also a good suggestion. It relieves a lot of panic knowing that its not a big deal when you mess up.

There is nothing wrong with your design. But if you start working large quantities, there will be a time element. Working 4 or 5 cows is way different than working 80 to 100. Even if you just double up, you're gonna think about saving time, especially in the heat. The more stress you put on cows, the more they are susceptible to illness.
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Re: Help Newbe With Minimal Corral Design

Postby TexasBred » Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:44 pm

What's the difference in a Medina gate and any other 10-12-14 ft. gate?
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Re: Help Newbe With Minimal Corral Design

Postby Brute 23 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:38 pm

I am not a fan of panels at all. They are hard on cattle, hard to climb, and they are not solid enough when attached to wood posts. I have one set of panel pens welded to pipe and I will never do it again.

If I'm going wood I'm going boards every where.

I prefer portable panels that clip or pin together over cattle panels.

TexasBred wrote:What's the difference in a Medina gate and any other 10-12-14 ft. gate?


Nothing I don't think. Most people put on on each side so you can work in and out from either way or use it as it's own chute. We have used the medina gate on big bulls we didn't want to walk all the way down the chute.

My favorite is a medina gate basically with a bud box off each side.
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Re: Help Newbe With Minimal Corral Design

Postby Caustic Burno » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:56 pm

Brute 23 wrote:I am not a fan of panels at all. They are hard on cattle, hard to climb, and they are not solid enough when attached to wood posts. I have one set of panel pens welded to pipe and I will never do it again.

If I'm going wood I'm going boards every where.

I prefer portable panels that clip or pin together over cattle panels.

TexasBred wrote:What's the difference in a Medina gate and any other 10-12-14 ft. gate?


Nothing I don't think. Most people put on on each side so you can work in and out from either way or use it as it's own chute. We have used the medina gate on big bulls we didn't want to walk all the way down the chute.

My favorite is a medina gate basically with a bud box off each side.



Brute on this one we disagree I love pipe and panel pen.
Mine is a hybridization I will have to get some pics when I work them this evening. I do have portable panels chained to the pipe in the pressure areas .
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Re: Help Newbe With Minimal Corral Design

Postby backhoeboogie » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:58 pm

TexasBred wrote:What's the difference in a Medina gate and any other 10-12-14 ft. gate?


If he puts the slide gate or guillotine on the beginning of the alley, he can isolate the cows in a medina and not have to use the squeeze if he does not need to. A whole lot of minor maintenance can be done with just the medina quicker and easier than using the chute, especially if you are working solo. Things like pour on wormer for example. I can do three cows at a time in the medina, release them out the alley, and take on another 3.

I have pulled calves in the medina and it is not a panic if the cow decides to lay down with her head in the squeeze gap. I'd much rather pull a calf in the medina. Last one I did in the medina was a calf with its head back.

Personal choice more than anything else TB. When I was a kid, no one had squeeze chutes. We ran cows into a loading alley or else used a medina. We were poor folks.
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Re: Help Newbe With Minimal Corral Design

Postby Caustic Burno » Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:15 pm

Here the alley looking from head gate back you can run out, load out and cut back in the pen standing in one spot.
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Re: Help Newbe With Minimal Corral Design

Postby Brute 23 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:36 pm

Ya, they look good. I see plenty of them around. Its just a preference with me.

I've seen cattle start doming out an area then eventually the welds will break on the panels. I have also seen bulls stick their horns in them and start popping welds. I have had weaned calves get in there and run the fence and just tear themselves to shreds. Plus, its hard to climb out when your in a bind. I can climb pipe and wood twice as fast. I have had to make a run for a fence and you had just enough time to grab the top rail... get one foot on the fence... and you better land on the other side after that. I can't do that with cattle panel.

My favorite, if money permits, is a good set of well build wooden pens. They give a better visual effect as a solid wall and if any thing breaks you just get a hammer and some nails and your back in business.

Next favorite is custom portable panels. Ranger Gate in Yoakum, Texas makes some 1 7/8", heavy duty, dipped panels that you clamp together. They take two men to carry a 10' or bigger panel. They have held up to any thing I have thrown at them. You can draw up any kind of panel you want... or any thing metal in general... they will build it and dip it... and deliver it. In a day you can set it up and sell calves the next. You can buy it in pieces and expand as money permits. If you don't like some thing its like legos... you take it apart and re-do it. The prices are cheaper than wood and steal.

Last is solid pipe pens. The cost is just not do-able for me in most cases.
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