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Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Postby Willicd » Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:32 pm

[quote="Big Cheese"]We use Charolais on Longhorn or Corriente cows mostly. We still have a few full beef cows and a few Longhorn cross cows but mostly Longhorns. Our three Charolais bulls are all different. One is a tall and lean bull, one is a really thick bull, and the other is a normal Charolais tall and thick. By looking at calves out of all three bulls I thought the tall lean was the better option (which is what a Brangus would be like) but once they get closer to 6-8 months old the really thick bull works the best. It puts more weight on them. So for Longhorns the thicker the bull the

My two charolais bulls are brothers or i would be in better shape. I will start looking for another charolais or limousin. I too have a few all beef cows that i breed to my angus bull. Their heifers will be going in with the LH crosses with whatever bull i come up with.
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Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Postby JMJ Farms » Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:37 pm

Willicd wrote:
Big Cheese wrote:We use Charolais on Longhorn or Corriente cows mostly. We still have a few full beef cows and a few Longhorn cross cows but mostly Longhorns. Our three Charolais bulls are all different. One is a tall and lean bull, one is a really thick bull, and the other is a normal Charolais tall and thick. By looking at calves out of all three bulls I thought the tall lean was the better option (which is what a Brangus would be like) but once they get closer to 6-8 months old the really thick bull works the best. It puts more weight on them. So for Longhorns the thicker the bull the

My two charolais bulls are brothers or i would be in better shape. I will start looking for another charolais or limousin. I too have a few all beef cows that i breed to my angus bull. Their heifers will be going in with the LH crosses with whatever bull i come up with.


I've got a good charolais for sale. He's a coming three year old. Low BW, easy calving and ready to go. PM me if interested.
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Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Postby Willicd » Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:03 pm

I appreciate it, but georgia is a little further than i am willing to travel!
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Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Postby Big Cheese » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:09 am

I know some good Charolais sellers here in Arkansas but I don't know how far your willing to go to get one. Two of the places I know deliver but I don't know if they would go to the panhandle of Texas. I've read about some Charolais places in Oklahoma as well but I don't know anything about them. If you want to know about the places here in Arkansas I can tell you some info about them.
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Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Postby Cross-7 » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:12 am

Bradley 3 has their sale next month
They always have a few Char Bulls in the sale

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Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Postby Willicd » Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:06 am

My charolais came from a breeder in NE OK. Luckily they have a ranch a couple hrs from me and we met en route. I dont want to travel too far. I suspect there are some good bulls within a couple hrs.
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Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Postby Big Cheese » Sun Jan 31, 2016 5:32 pm

The two bulls you have seem to be pretty good bulls I would definitely see what they have at the same place you got them as long as they are the same bloodline.
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Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Postby Willicd » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:17 pm

just a little update:

i ended up with 2 limousin bulls i got from a friend at claude that buys hay from me. dont have any calves from them yet but i do have 30 charolais/LH heifers that will calve from them next spring. the charolais/LH crosses have developed in to a really nice set of cows. now i am contemplating taking a few LH amd putting them with the limousin and using those crosses with the charolais bulls to see wich direction to go in the future. i suspect the black hide will sell a little better though.
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Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Postby Willicd » Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:46 pm

your black baldies will definitely top the market here. i figure i can run about 1/3 more of the these cows (looking like they will mature at about 900#) vs the conventional beef breeds. they are keeping very well even though we havnt had any rain in weeks and the pastures are DRY. i am certainly anxious to see how the 1/2 limo 1/4 charolais 1/4 LH calves do.
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Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Postby Brute 23 » Sat Jul 29, 2017 4:35 pm

I would keep the angus out of it. Breed Char back to back and go to the ring with 3/4 Char. They should do as good or better than their black hided counterparts.

Some times Angus and Char don't make for a good mix.
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Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Postby Willicd » Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:19 am

when you mention angus, are you referring to my limousin bulls being lim-flex? they are black hided but "purebred". there was obviously some angus influence at some point to give the black and polled genes, but my friend has been raising purebred limousines for 30 years and has never introduced any other breed. i have some cows that are 1/2 limousin 1/2 LH that i got from the guy i sold some cattle to a few years ago. maybe i will put a limo bull with them and put a charolais bull with the 1/2 charolais cows. i am looking at a really nice charbray bull. what would your opinion be of the charbray on these cows? any advantage over the limo or charolais? what about the charbray on the LH cows to build the breeding cow herd from?
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Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Postby Brute 23 » Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:04 am

In your original post you said you breed to Angus and Char bulls.

If you like the Charbray bull it might not hurt to try.

To my knowledge Char does the best job of masking LH and they bring top dollar. I would not throw an other breed in the mix.
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Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Postby WalnutCrest » Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:08 am

That's a lot of questions...

Yes he is. If your friend didn't directly introduce the "black" and "polled" genes with his own fullblood Angus bull, he introduced them with a bull that had some Angus blood ...

Charbray x LH/Lim = could work good ... depends on the quality of the cattle and where you live

You've already got F1s ... and by using a composite breed bull (especially if he's an F1) on composite cows, you're likely to have a very uneven calf crop...but the top third to top half of that heifer class could be pretty solid prospects, IMO.
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Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Postby elkwc » Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:37 am

Brute 23 wrote:I would keep the angus out of it. Breed Char back to back and go to the ring with 3/4 Char. They should do as good or better than their black hided counterparts. They will be docked around here. That is why I see fewer Char bulls every year. I have talked to feeders and buyers in this region and heard their reasons. As they say they look at what will make them the most money feeding them. I know I read in other areas they seem to sell well but not here.

Some times Angus and Char don't make for a good mix.
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Re: Need advice on a terminal bull please

Postby Muddy » Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:49 am

I won't use any black hided bulls, including black limflex on the half Longhorn cows.....it will bring up the crazy longhorn chrome. Keep breed them back to a Char bull.
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