Angus in Texas

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Re: Angus in Texas

Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:34 am

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I'll post whenever and wherever I so desire.

If that bothers you I guess it's too bad "then".


You do understand we are not suggesting to people who run a purebred operation and sell private treaty that they need Brahman blood in their cattle right?



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Re: Angus in Texas

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Guess your wife is letting you post again.
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Re: Angus in Texas

Postby Brute 23 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:10 am

Ok. I just want to be clear for any one else reading this that your posts have absolutely nothing to do with nothing and they shouldnt waist their time.
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Re: Angus in Texas

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Brute 23 wrote:Ok. I just want to be clear for any one else reading this that your posts have absolutely nothing to do with nothing and they shouldnt waist their time.


"Waste their time" and you've have wasted enough of mine already. Let's move on shall we?
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Re: Angus in Texas

Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:21 am

Caustic Burno wrote:Guess your wife is letting you post again.


Yes, you are correct. First time for everything. No regale us with tales of your ancestors heroism in battle and how you managed to dogdge service yourself.
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Re: Angus in Texas

Postby Caustic Burno » Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:38 am

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Caustic Burno wrote:Guess your wife is letting you post again.


Yes, you are correct. First time for everything. No regale us with tales of your ancestors heroism in battle and how you managed to dogdge service yourself.



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I might be totally wrong but I think not,
the only thing you have excelled at in life is proper lip placement.
I will give you this you must be good with your personality the images of Eddie Haskell pop up.
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Re: Angus in Texas

Postby True Grit Farms » Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:38 am

I go to bull sales throughout the southeast and the Angus bulls out sell every other breed, in numbers and price. Texas is a big state and what works in one part won't work as good in another. I don't keep up with Braman heifers but at every bull sale that has any Brahman bulls they will always be smaller, why is this? And it's also very hard to get a yearling Brahman bull to pass a BSE so it can be sold in a performance bull sale, why is this?
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Re: Angus in Texas

Postby Caustic Burno » Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:45 am

True Grit Farms wrote:I go to bull sales throughout the southeast and the Angus bulls out sell every other breed, in numbers and price. Texas is a big state and what works in one part won't work as good in another. I don't keep up with Braman heifers but at every bull sale that has any Brahman bulls they will always be smaller, why is this? And it's also very hard to get a yearling Brahman bull to pass a BSE so it can be sold in a performance bull sale, why is this?

If they are trying to sell them before 18 months it is a pure crap shoot. They are slow to mature sexual.
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Re: Angus in Texas

Postby True Grit Farms » Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:48 am

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True Grit Farms wrote:I go to bull sales throughout the southeast and the Angus bulls out sell every other breed, in numbers and price. Texas is a big state and what works in one part won't work as good in another. I don't keep up with Braman heifers but at every bull sale that has any Brahman bulls they will always be smaller, why is this? And it's also very hard to get a yearling Brahman bull to pass a BSE so it can be sold in a performance bull sale, why is this?

If they are trying to sell them before 18 months it is a pure crap shoot. They are slow to mature sexual.


Smaller why?
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Re: Angus in Texas

Postby Caustic Burno » Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:54 am

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True Grit Farms wrote:I go to bull sales throughout the southeast and the Angus bulls out sell every other breed, in numbers and price. Texas is a big state and what works in one part won't work as good in another. I don't keep up with Braman heifers but at every bull sale that has any Brahman bulls they will always be smaller, why is this? And it's also very hard to get a yearling Brahman bull to pass a BSE so it can be sold in a performance bull sale, why is this?

If they are trying to sell them before 18 months it is a pure crap shoot. They are slow to mature sexual.


Smaller why?


Again the full bloods are slow to mature until about 24 months but you are also getting cattle that operate efficiently into their 20's .
In conditions most others would wither they thrive.
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Re: Angus in Texas

Postby callmefence » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:11 am

A mature Brahma bull will dwarf most Angus bulls. The Brahma just matures much slower
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Re: Angus in Texas

Postby True Grit Farms » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:34 am

Caustic Burno wrote:
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Caustic Burno wrote:If they are trying to sell them before 18 months it is a pure crap shoot. They are slow to mature sexual.


Smaller why?


Again the full bloods are slow to mature until about 24 months but you are also getting cattle that operate efficiently into their 20's .
In conditions most others would wither they thrive.


That doesn't hold true when you crossbreed them. And most of the big operations I've been to sell cows at 7 to 9 years old when there's still value left on them. Most of folks sell weaned calves and want the extra pounds on the calf when they sell. So what your essentially saying about Brahman cattle, is pure breds are not the way to go for the cow - calf producer? You've already stated multiple times that Brahman bulls are not the way to go on Continental - Angus cattle?
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Re: Angus in Texas

Postby Caustic Burno » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:46 am

True Grit Farms wrote:
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Smaller why?


Again the full bloods are slow to mature until about 24 months but you are also getting cattle that operate efficiently into their 20's .
In conditions most others would wither they thrive.


That doesn't hold true when you crossbreed them. And most of the big operations I've been to sell cows at 7 to 9 years old when there's still value left on them. Most of folks sell weaned calves and want the extra pounds on the calf when they sell. So what your essentially saying about Brahman cattle, is pure breds are not the way to go for the cow - calf producer? You've already stated multiple times that Brahman bulls are not the way to go on Continental - Angus cattle?


Your misquoting I said Brahman over English cattle is not the way to go as the hybred vigor is enormous. The hybred vigor is highest with Hereford of the English cattle.
This mating tends to produce behemoth bull calves.
English over Brahman suppress calf weights while maintaining hybred vigor the goal. The goal is not purebred cattle but pounds and of gradable beef.
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Re: Angus in Texas

Postby Brute 23 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:02 am

True Grit Farms wrote:
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Smaller why?


Again the full bloods are slow to mature until about 24 months but you are also getting cattle that operate efficiently into their 20's .
In conditions most others would wither they thrive.


That doesn't hold true when you crossbreed them. And most of the big operations I've been to sell cows at 7 to 9 years old when there's still value left on them. Most of folks sell weaned calves and want the extra pounds on the calf when they sell. So what your essentially saying about Brahman cattle, is pure breds are not the way to go for the cow - calf producer? You've already stated multiple times that Brahman bulls are not the way to go on Continental - Angus cattle?


Yes, I would say that. If you are an average Joe cow/calf producer go to the auction with your calves I would not run purebred Brahman. To get the full value of the Brahman cattle you need to sell them private treaty or you need to be of a certain size where you are trying to produce your own momma cows. That's my opinion.

Imo pure bred any thing has its breed quirks no matter if its cattle or dogs or what ever else. I realky appreciate pure bred animals and the people who raise them... but for actual use I have always likes crossbred. I think you tend get the best of both breeds and lose the worse.

Even on my hunting dogs. I like pits.. I like American bull dogs... but pure pits tend to be a little too gung ho for me. American bulldogs and can a little too laid back. Crossing the two gives the right amount drive but levels them out a little.

It's the same with Angus and Herford. They are a little to far one way. Pure Brahmans are a little too far the other way. My preferred animal is in between. A little of both worlds.

It does not take a lot of Brahman to see the benefits.
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Re: Angus in Texas

Postby callmefence » Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:37 am

Brute 23 wrote:
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Again the full bloods are slow to mature until about 24 months but you are also getting cattle that operate efficiently into their 20's .
In conditions most others would wither they thrive.


That doesn't hold true when you crossbreed them. And most of the big operations I've been to sell cows at 7 to 9 years old when there's still value left on them. Most of folks sell weaned calves and want the extra pounds on the calf when they sell. So what your essentially saying about Brahman cattle, is pure breds are not the way to go for the cow - calf producer? You've already stated multiple times that Brahman bulls are not the way to go on Continental - Angus cattle?


Yes, I would say that. If you are an average Joe cow/calf producer go to the auction with your calves I would not run purebred Brahman. To get the full value of the Brahman cattle you need to sell them private treaty or you need to be of a certain size where you are trying to produce your own momma cows. That's my opinion.

Imo pure bred any thing has its breed quirks no matter if its cattle or dogs or what ever else. I realky appreciate pure bred animals and the people who raise them... but for actual use I have always likes crossbred. I think you tend get the best of both breeds and lose the worse.

Even on my hunting dogs. I like pits.. I like American bull dogs... but pure pits tend to be a little too gung ho for me. American bulldogs and can a little too laid back. Crossing the two gives the right amount drive but levels them out a little.

It's the same with Angus and Herford. They are a little to far one way. Pure Brahmans are a little too far the other way. My preferred animal is in between. A little of both worlds.

It does not take a lot of Brahman to see the benefits.


Exactly.. you won't find me with a Brahma bull.
For the most part it will be reg. Black Angus.
I do want brahma in my mama cows. The reason was posted way back.
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