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Re: Borrowed bull

Postby farmerjan » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:35 pm

Muddy, the only reason I wanted to post my disagreement was due to the fact that the heifer is a dexter/jersey cross according to the original post. I have had several from good sized angus heifers with a hereford bull years ago and no big problems. I had a BIG brown swiss heifer that had problems from an easy calving angus bull, but she was a wuss. But the dexter/jersey cross being a heifer is just one I wouldn't want to babysit when she was due. And I agree, it is good to agree to disagree.... everyone's opinion is worth something due to their own personal experiences.

Just for conversations sake, tested a dairy that had to have the vet do a C-section on a cow ( 3rd calf I think). It was an ET calf, and it weighed 205 LBS. A heifer and they saved her!!!!!!! Cow is milking good and you would never know she had that huge calf. Calf looked like it was nearly ready to wean..... This is a farm that does alot of ET work and was unbelieveable that this mating produced this massive calf and that they were able to save it. Cow has has 2 normal calves prior so they are sure it is the particular ET mating. Had one a month before that was a couple of weeks early, same ET flush, and the calf was born dead and was very big too. He said he will not be implanting any more of the eggs from that mating...too much risk. So you never know...
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Re: Borrowed bull

Postby Supa Dexta » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:59 am

Do you know if she calved on time?

Had one this year the vet gloved and called 5mo, but she calved nearly 3mo after the expected date. It was 146 lbs, and dead. No idea where that size came from, but it was obviously large early on.
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Re: Borrowed bull

Postby Rafter S » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:19 am

My Hereford bull jumped the fence a couple of years ago and bred two of my Brangus heifers. I suspect they were bigger than the heifer you're talking about. They both calved unassisted, but one of them prolapsed, and died two days later. The vet said she had prolapsed because of straining so long trying to have the relatively large calf. So you do what you want to, but I'd be very concerned about letting her have the calf.
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Re: Borrowed bull

Postby Draper » Tue Jun 27, 2017 9:32 am

While I do see the featherneck, the bull looks more fleckvieh than Hereford to me--- Not knowing anything about his background, id be scared to death to use that bull on very fine made cows.
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Re: Borrowed bull

Postby farmerjan » Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:52 pm

Supa Dexta the cow they did the C-section on was only 4 days past due date and because it was an ET she was carrying, they were very definite about the date. He has done hundreds of ET's and said that the other cow calved with the very large dead calf was about 3 weeks early....again an ET from the same flush just an earlier implant. Since he has been doing this for nearly 40 years, I know he stays on top of it. Said he had never done that particular mating, and will never do it again as it is not worth possibly losing the cow carrying it. The two cows carrying the ET's were not related at least not in the pedigree for many generations....so not even that to be a factor.

If she were mine, I would lute her and breed AI to an easy calving bull for her first calf.

How big are the calves that the neighbor is getting? Has he had the bull long enough to get a crop of calves on the ground? Can you judge by them somewhat? I realize that different cows have different size calves, but if all the calves are big or all are somewhat small, it would give you an idea of what to most likely expect.
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Re: Borrowed bull

Postby pdfangus » Tue Jun 27, 2017 3:14 pm

bull looks pretty decent...

all jersey bulls are potential killers....

glad you have a good neighbor....
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Re: Borrowed bull

Postby bja105 » Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:54 am

My AI guy is coming to start synchronized AI on our milk cow. We will definately lute rhe little black heifer. I handled her a lot this weekend, she is tiny. We are debating using Angus or Jersey on her.

What traits make you think Fleckvieh? In my mind, anything with that coloration is hereford.
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Re: Borrowed bull

Postby Muddy » Mon Jul 03, 2017 11:45 pm

bja105 wrote:My AI guy is coming to start synchronized AI on our milk cow. We will definately lute rhe little black heifer. I handled her a lot this weekend, she is tiny. We are debating using Angus or Jersey on her.

What traits make you think Fleckvieh? In my mind, anything with that coloration is hereford.

So you'll breed her to an Angus bull but not a Hereford bull?
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Re: Borrowed bull

Postby bja105 » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:11 pm

Muddy wrote:So you'll breed her to an Angus bull but not a Hereford bull?


I was thinking a known calving ease Angus sire instead of an unknown sale barn bull that looks like a Hereford to me. Am I wrong? I have a week to decide on semen. The AI tech who is also a dairy man seemed to think the Angus he had is a no brainer. I have time, so set me straight if I am very wrong. Thanks
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Re: Borrowed bull

Postby WRFarms » Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:38 pm

I just want to point out that when you cross beef bulls and milk cows you're getting bigger calves, period. Doesn't matter if it's an Angus with a thousand tiny calves to its name.
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Re: Borrowed bull

Postby Son of Butch » Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:23 pm

WRFarms wrote:I just want to point out that when you cross beef bulls and milk cows you're getting bigger calves, period.
Doesn't matter if it's an Angus with a thousand tiny calves to its name.

Wrong answer
Breeding Holstein cow x Holstein bull gives you a bigger calf than breeding holstein x angus bull.
Breeding Holstein heifers to angus bulls for calving ease was extremely popular 60 years ago a few dairymen still do it.
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Re: Borrowed bull

Postby MtnCows93 » Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:37 pm

i dont see how you guys are judging by that pic you can barely see the heifer you cant tell how big or small she is, bja105 how much does that heifer weigh? if you had to guess
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