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Postby JBowen » Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:28 am

I have a few Ideas I want to run by smarter people than I am.

1. I am building a Concrete Barn (Floor, Walls, and Roof Concrete) with heated floors and covered with a painted on {Bed liner Like} covering. I am wondering if I put drainage tiles in stalls and have a flush system for the alleys will they still need bedding?

2. Hay will be in an attached Concrete hay shed and will have a pulley system to bring it into a hay loft in barn to be fed. I am wondering if I have it ventilated the barn well is there a reason I could not use wood for the loft?

3. I was wondering if should heat the concrete at the entrance and exit of barn to prevent slip and fall accidents?

4. How many cattle should I be able to keep in a 30' by 30' pen overnight if need be?

5. Does anyone grow Fodder to be feed daily to their beef cattle like made with the Farmtek Fodder Pro?

6. is it ok to feed plants out of garden to cattle in the fall when they are done producing?

Just for information I am in West Virginia and my wife and I are disabled veterans. We raise Beefalo Cattle (Plan on about 60 - I sell the Beef locally), Dairy Goats (For personal milk, weed control, and fiber), Hogs (1 Boar, 3 Sows, and then piglets until big enough to butcher for Meat for me and to sell), Guineas (5 for bug control and alarm system), and chickens (60 for eggs and meat). I have pens planned for each type of livestock. Anything anyone can think of I need to consider? I plan to do clean up with a hose and a broom.
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Re: New Barn Questions

Postby Nesikep » Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:50 am

That barn sounds like a lot of overkill to me.. just sounds prohibitively expensive!

On #4, I'd say every cow needs about a 4x8 ft space for one of those "If need be" situations, so that works out to about 28 cows.. would be pretty snug in there though if they wanted to lay down.

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Re: New Barn Questions

Postby Son of Butch » Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:33 am

JBowen wrote:I have a few Ideas I want to run by smarter people than I am.

1. I am building a Concrete Barn (Floor, Walls, and Roof Concrete) with heated floors and covered with a painted on {Bed liner Like} covering. I am wondering if I put drainage tiles in stalls and have a flush system for the alleys will they still need bedding?
A stall barn? 4x8 stalls?
Cattle mattresses in each stall... you can get away with no bedding, although some will still use a little sand or something like sunflower seed hulls.


2. Hay will be in an attached Concrete hay shed and will have a pulley system to bring it into a hay loft in barn to be fed. I am wondering if I have it ventilated the barn well is there a reason I could not use wood for the loft?

3. I was wondering if should heat the concrete at the entrance and exit of barn to prevent slip and fall accidents?
IF you are building it in Florida... then it wouldn't be of any use.

4. How many cattle should I be able to keep in a 30' by 30' pen overnight if need be?
temporary overnight 30-40 hd

5. Does anyone grow Fodder to be feed daily to their beef cattle like made with the Farmtek Fodder Pro?

6. is it ok to feed plants out of garden to cattle in the fall when they are done producing?

Just for information I am in West Virginia and my wife and I are disabled veterans. We raise Beefalo Cattle (Plan on about 60 - I sell the Beef locally), Dairy Goats (For personal milk, weed control, and fiber), Hogs (1 Boar, 3 Sows, and then piglets until big enough to butcher for Meat for me and to sell), Guineas (5 for bug control and alarm system), and chickens (60 for eggs and meat). I have pens planned for each type of livestock. Anything anyone can think of I need to consider? I plan to do clean up with a hose and a broom.
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Re: New Barn Questions

Postby msplmtneer » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:43 am

Howdy and :welcome:
Where abouts in West Virginia?
You should go to solid rock if possible to pour all that concrete, sounds like over kill to me.
I can under stand concrete floors and maybe six foot concrete walls with what you are raising.
Good Luck :tiphat:
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:10 pm

If you are "for real", welcome to the board. I have my doubts.
I live in upstate NY and I wouldn't want heated floors for my cattle.
I doubt if a painted on "liner" for the floor will hold up to cattle.
Clean up with a hose & broom??? Maybe for the chickens. Have you ever picked up a pile of manure from a mature cow?
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Postby Son of Butch » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:27 pm

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:If you are "for real", welcome to the board. I have my doubts.
I live in upstate NY and I wouldn't want heated floors for my cattle.
I doubt if a painted on "liner" for the floor will hold up to cattle.
Clean up with a hose & broom??? Maybe for the chickens.
Have you ever picked up a pile of manure from a mature cow?

Of course not... both he and wife are Disabled former government employees.
Hence the plan for a Concrete Roof and the question if wood is suitable to use for building.
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Re: New Barn Questions

Postby M.Magis » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:40 pm

This reminds me of the joke how do you end up with $1 million in cattle? Start with $2 million. This plan would get you well on your way.
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Re: New Barn Questions

Postby Rafter S » Wed Aug 30, 2017 9:38 pm

M.Magis wrote:This reminds me of the joke how do you end up with $1 million in cattle? Start with $2 million. This plan would get you well on your way.


Or the story about the farmer that won $1,000,000.00, and someone asked him what he was going to do with it. He replied "I guess I'll just keep farming until it's all gone."
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Re: New Barn Questions

Postby JBowen » Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:34 pm

Thanks Nesikep, Son of Butch, msplmtneer

I appreciate those of you that are helping me. I know wood is good for building but was told the wood would draw moisture to much being in a concrete barn. It will have 8 - 12' x 12' stalls (along sides) and 2 - 30' by 50' pens (in Middle). Cattle Mattress is a cool thing I did not know about (Thank You, Son of Butch). The clean up with hose and broom will only be to move stuff to the alley for flush to carry away and sometimes you need a little brushing to get it all cleaned up. Msplmtneer, It is being built on an outcropping of bedrock so it is on solid rock, but thanks for suggestion, and we are in Grant County, WV.

I have done research and the amount it costs to heat and cool the area would be a lot less. I will be doing heated floors in the house, garage, garden nursery, and maybe barn. I know of a equipment garage that uses I think Duracoat of the floor and it holds up great running dozers and stuff on it and is easy to repair. I thought it would be good to stop slip and falls and make it easier on the animals. I am doing complete concrete because where I am building it is not uncommon to get 80mph winds a few times a year the concrete stands up better than anything else.

I hope this helps you all understand what I am trying to do, I was told I would be in a wheel chair by the time I was 35 yrs old, so I am trying to make it accessible to me at all times. My wife and I find the animals calming, so we would love to make it self sustainable. My moto has always been I would rather build it and never need it, than to need it and not have built it.
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Re: New Barn Questions

Postby sim.-ang.king » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:11 am

You're both disabled, but are going to have a self sufficient farm, and do all of the work? Sounds like someone had a good lawyer.
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Re: New Barn Questions

Postby boondocks » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:22 am

JBowen wrote:Thanks Nesikep, Son of Butch, msplmtneer

I appreciate those of you that are helping me. I know wood is good for building but was told the wood would draw moisture to much being in a concrete barn. It will have 8 - 12' x 12' stalls (along sides) and 2 - 30' by 50' pens (in Middle). Cattle Mattress is a cool thing I did not know about (Thank You, Son of Butch). The clean up with hose and broom will only be to move stuff to the alley for flush to carry away and sometimes you need a little brushing to get it all cleaned up. Msplmtneer, It is being built on an outcropping of bedrock so it is on solid rock, but thanks for suggestion, and we are in Grant County, WV.



beautiful area and where my "people" are from! Are you near Greenland Gap?
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Re: New Barn Questions

Postby JBowen » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:38 am

Jordan Run very near Greenland Gap

And sim I sell my cattle for a nice profit, I own a gun shop and work as a gunsmith, and never had an attorney. No jobs in my area and good help is easy to find and want to put as many people especially veterans to work as I can. I am selling my home and vacation property (I was forced to go to by family) to build this place. My daughter is in college and I can do stuff for me now. I never said I get a payment for being disabled. I said I am disabled. I make stuff so I can do it with my handicap, I am sorry if that offends you. I hope you never have a disability and if you do I hope no one just assumes you just "had a good attorney". Our disability came while serving in the military. My wife and I were both in the US Military and met the first time in Iraq. I am glad you are appreciative of your freedom.
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Re: New Barn Questions

Postby Nesikep » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:39 am

I'm just thinking that if Beefalo are as hardy as they're made out to be, just a good windbreak ought to suffice for them... We get cold winds here in the winter and the cows are outside.. a full belly is all they need

This was after a night of freezing rain turning to snow, and waking up to about 5F
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Re: New Barn Questions

Postby sstterry » Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:00 am

JBowen wrote:Jordan Run very near Greenland Gap

And sim I sell my cattle for a nice profit, I own a gun shop and work as a gunsmith, and never had an attorney. No jobs in my area and good help is easy to find and want to put as many people especially veterans to work as I can. I am selling my home and vacation property (I was forced to go to by family) to build this place. My daughter is in college and I can do stuff for me now. I never said I get a payment for being disabled. I said I am disabled. I make stuff so I can do it with my handicap, I am sorry if that offends you. I hope you never have a disability and if you do I hope no one just assumes you just "had a good attorney". Our disability came while serving in the military. My wife and I were both in the US Military and met the first time in Iraq. I am glad you are appreciative of your freedom.


I thank both you and your wife for your service. While your question is a little different from a farming perspective, you do not deserve the ridicule that you have received from at least one member. Some people have never had to face and/or live with adversity. You should be applauded.
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Re: New Barn Questions

Postby Rafter S » Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:37 am

I'll admit I was also skeptical. I've just never heard of someone building a barn like that to shelter farm animals. I know the weather in West Virginia isn't the same as Texas, but it still seems excessive. However, it's your money, and if that's what you want then by all means go ahead. And I'd also like to thank you and your wife for your service.
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