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Post by jehosofat » Tue May 08, 2018 12:48 pm

Looking at a 50 acre tract of land for sale, mostly pine and a few hardwoods along the creek. Price is CHEAP, but the timber has already been contracted out. Timber contract calls for 300 cords of wood removed. Roughly how much is that on 50 acres? I know there are a lot of variables, but just a rough idea.



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Post by Jogeephus » Tue May 08, 2018 12:55 pm

That'd be about 6 cords an acre or a little more than a half a load per acre which would would be a light thinning here. Any more than 34 loads removed and I'd be concerned but it all boils down to what the contract says.
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Post by sim.-ang.king » Tue May 08, 2018 12:56 pm

150,000-200,000 board foot, depend on which scale..
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Post by jehosofat » Tue May 08, 2018 1:00 pm

Jogeephus wrote:That'd be about 6 cords an acre or a little more than a half a load per acre which would would be a light thinning here. Any more than 34 loads removed and I'd be concerned but it all boils down to what the contract says.


That's what I was hoping, the landowner has passed and I'm dealing with the estate. Only thing that bothers me is the time they have, still almost 18 months left on contract for them to get it. I am going to try and renegotiate the contract with the timber company to get it clear cut except for the hardwoods.

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Post by Jogeephus » Tue May 08, 2018 1:07 pm

What are they supposed to be cutting? 300 cords of what? Is it marked? Is it being sold by the load or did they pay up front? Lots of things to consider.
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Post by jehosofat » Tue May 08, 2018 2:35 pm

They have paid up front for 300 cords, give or take a load or two. It was sold as a thinning, pine only. All of the pine is about the same size. The trees to be thinned are not marked, they are supposed to evenly thin the entire tract. I would guess that the pine is about 35 acres of it, about 15 in hardwood which they are not supposed to touch.

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Post by Jogeephus » Tue May 08, 2018 8:02 pm

On paper this sounds like it would be alright. In practice I see a lot of holes in it. Hope the logging outfit is aboveboard.
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Re: Loggers

Post by Txpiney » Wed May 09, 2018 7:25 am

I have not found a logger in my area that's even close to honest, they'll screw you 9 ways to Sunday

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Post by backhoeboogie » Wed May 09, 2018 8:49 am

jehosofat wrote: I am going to try and renegotiate the contract with the timber company to get it clear cut except for the hardwoods.


I wish you luck with that. It almost has to be an individual to negotiate select cutting in north east Texas Companies won't go it.
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Re: Loggers

Post by jltrent » Wed May 09, 2018 8:50 am

If only pine and no hardwood there will not be much compensation for them. Like said before most loggers, especially on an open end contract like this will help themselves. If it is in the contract no hardwood I would watch that closely if any is good.

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Re: Loggers

Post by bball » Wed May 09, 2018 1:33 pm

Txpiney wrote:I have not found a logger in my area that's even close to honest, they'll screw you 9 ways to Sunday


What you say is doubly true here...i used the one with the best reputation and came recommended from a few folks and it was still an absolute shyt show.
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Re: Loggers

Post by greybeard » Wed May 09, 2018 9:31 pm

Yech!
the estate gets the $$....the loggers get the trees and you get the mess they leave minus whatever they could steal behind your back?
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Post by jehosofat » Wed May 09, 2018 11:30 pm

greybeard wrote:Yech!
the estate gets the $$....the loggers get the trees and you get the mess they leave minus whatever they could steal behind your back?


They can have it all, if I can turn it into pasture cheap.

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Re: Loggers

Post by ddd75 » Thu May 10, 2018 6:16 am

bball wrote:
Txpiney wrote:I have not found a logger in my area that's even close to honest, they'll screw you 9 ways to Sunday


What you say is doubly true here...i used the one with the best reputation and came recommended from a few folks and it was still an absolute shyt show.



yep.. I hired a forester and he tried to sell my whole tract for 50k. I called his bullsh!t on him and he stood there speechless.

I ended up selling it to a guy who owned a local sawmill. He harvested about 2/3's of it and got 195k.


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Re: Loggers

Post by hurleyjd » Thu May 10, 2018 7:31 am

If they gave it to you after a clear cut then you would be out bokoo dollars turning it into pasture. Might try to find a place ready to go and buy it instant use without waiting years to get the place up and going.

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