My new Wagyu bull

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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by Lazy M » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:13 pm

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:IMHO - the Angus breeders concentrating on numbers are not LOOKING at their cattle.

Maybe that's the case. It could also be the case that they have a goal in mind of producing the highest quality end product as possible; even if that means that they sacrifice what you and I consider good phenotype.
Personally I'm commercial so I'm more concerned with quick growth and early development..



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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by Jeanne - Simme Valley » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:34 pm

Lazy M wrote:
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:IMHO - the Angus breeders concentrating on numbers are not LOOKING at their cattle.

Maybe that's the case. It could also be the case that they have a goal in mind of producing the highest quality end product as possible; even if that means that they sacrifice what you and I consider good phenotype.
Personally I'm commercial so I'm more concerned with quick growth and early development..

But, you and I are probably more interested in structure and good feet than it seems some of the numbers guys are.
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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by ALACOWMAN » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:44 pm

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:IMHO - the Angus breeders concentrating on numbers are not LOOKING at their cattle.
and I think too many had rather look at their cattle..and not worried about the plate,its going to wind up on..
as an adult,it's clear to me now...why Ernest T Bass, threw rocks at people..

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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by ALACOWMAN » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:47 pm

NonTypicalCPA wrote:No hard feelings - I have thick skin. If everyone did and liked the same thing, life would be pretty boring. When I'm taking a bite of a nice steak I don't stop and remember his big arse or coat color, polled or not, long/short. When you've got a local restaurant paying $9,000 for a 28 month old fullblood, that get's my attention. Now mine wont be fullbloods, yet. If this experiment goes well then I may switch over, time will tell. I'm not trying to make a living, just having fun. Plus this ugly thing of a bull is pretty easy to be around, while my beautifully thick, long and handsome Beltie bull was a pain in my arse.

He did have a BSE that was good. I'll see if I can put my hands on it and let you know the scrotal size.
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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by Jeanne - Simme Valley » Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:45 pm

ALACOWMAN wrote:
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:IMHO - the Angus breeders concentrating on numbers are not LOOKING at their cattle.
and I think too many had rather look at their cattle..and not worried about the plate,its going to wind up on..

There has to be a "happy medium". Cattle must be functional and easy keeping.
For a breed that was/is supposed to be the marbling king, there is a lot of attention paid to try to improve carcass data. Hmmmm.
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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by Muddy » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:03 pm

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:I'm sorry, but I have to agree with jd. I have kept my mouth shut, but --- I would be hard pressed to board an animal that looked like that, let alone own one. Do your Belties not grade well?? You are taking a really nice looking animal (Beltie) and breeding it to "that"???
I really do not understand this "thing" about needing more marbling.
As most of you know, I raise PB Simmental cattle.
Anyway, I have been feeding out some freezer trade fall born steers. We harvested 3 on Oct 5 - all Sept & Oct born (so about 12-12.5 months old). They were 720#, 728#, & 786#. They are loaded with marbling. They are super tender. Sold halves for $3.25/lb, they pay cut/wrap/kill and are booked for next year. If you can produce a great eating experience, why would you resort to Wagyu? Aren't you going to sacrifice a lot of final weight on everything?
Or, do you think being able to say it is 1/2 Wagyu, people are going to be willing to pay enough extra big bucks to offset the poor muscling? I am just lost at the concept of wanting to get into them. I must really be missing something. I'm not toooo old to learn new tricks - so please educate me.

Gosh you are so be nice judgemental.

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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by Jeanne - Simme Valley » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:27 pm

Muddy - I'm not judging. I would like to know. Seems to me, most producers already raise/sell good quality beef. I re-read this thread & CPA's last thread. He agrees that his cattle marble well & produce good meat. To me, he is down grading the quantity of his finished product. That is why I was asking what he is going to benefit from this program. I thought he had pretty nice cattle already.
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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by Lazy M » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:49 pm

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Muddy - I'm not judging. I would like to know. Seems to me, most producers already raise/sell good quality beef. I re-read this thread & CPA's last thread. He agrees that his cattle marble well & produce good meat. To me, he is down grading the quantity of his finished product. That is why I was asking what he is going to benefit from this program. I thought he had pretty nice cattle already.

I'm always very skeptical about niche marketing ideas. Years and years ago I remember the local extension offices and cattle association folks began to really start pushing Senepol cattle.. claimed they were the future.. big frames, LOTS of milk, calving ease.. unfortunately they were extremely hard doing cattle that wouldn't breed back without a bucket of feed strapped to their mouths. Many people got burned..
Having said that, many many of the folks in the business are now focused on carcass quality.. And like Alabama indicated: it seems wise to consider the eating experience of those consuming our product.

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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by NonTypicalCPA » Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:28 pm

I’m hoping that the shortcomings of the wagyu breed will be offset by the combination of the beltie breed and heterosis. It will be an educational experience either way.

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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by NonTypicalCPA » Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:37 pm

Ok here’s some more info on this guy.

Birth weight - 76
Weaning weight - 412
205 day weight - 599
Yearling weight - 823
365 day weight - 839
Scrotal circumference at 555 days - 32.0

This breed is pretty close to the same size as my belties.

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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by jd720 » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:53 pm

I guess I don`t see what good it does to add marbling when there`s not a lot of meat or enough bone to carry the meat on. There just can`t be much ribeye from a bull like that.

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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by ALACOWMAN » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:47 am

Buy a steak, and you'll see why...it offsets their shortcomings..
as an adult,it's clear to me now...why Ernest T Bass, threw rocks at people..

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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by gaurus » Thu Dec 27, 2018 12:38 pm

NonTypicalCPA wrote:Ok here’s some more info on this guy.

Birth weight - 76
Weaning weight - 412
205 day weight - 599
Yearling weight - 823
365 day weight - 839
Scrotal circumference at 555 days - 32.0

This breed is pretty close to the same size as my belties.


We are missing very important info, for example is he a full blood? Pure blood? What line of "Wagyu"? Mainly Tajima? Where he comes from? From the original strains that made it to the USA? Or recent lines? Perhaps from Australia? any EPD numbers we can go by like Marbling%?


many studies have shown that muscles and IMF% are mutually exclusive, when you breed for IMF% the muscle mass is lowered, and muscled cattle tend to be leaner, the key and advantage here is to cross them both to get the best of both world, I've been told that a cross of Wagyu and Charolais is one of the best possible cross, a similar cross I have seen mentioned is Limousine sire and Jersey dairy cows, the cross looks all beef and marbles like fine Angus

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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by ALACOWMAN » Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:11 pm

Though I agree with your post ...I just don't think it's worth the trouble to breed in different directions to make a animal that's been bred for a certain trait like the Wagyu, too be visually appealing to the folks that just want one to look like the mom and pop beef cow.. Old salesman once told me they had to ad a dye to a ""clear"""soap cleaner they sold, because folks wouldn't buy it..thought it wouldn't work,or be strong enough because it looked clear as water..
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Re: My new Wagyu bull

Post by NonTypicalCPA » Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:45 pm

My bull is full blood. He started life as a $1,300 embryo transfer. Here is some info and on his sire.

Sire: Hirashigetayasu 001, has amongst the highest EBVs for growth and milk from the predominantly Kedaka bloodline. He has 25% Tajima which comes directly from Tayasudoi and this will enhance marbling. He is also a very powerful Kedaka bull with outstanding frame and growth. Designer’s favorite Wagyu bull is Hirashigetayasu 001 as he is one of the most consistent transmitting bulls that has ever been used in their breeding programs.

Hirashigetayasu was born on December 27, 1989 in Kagoshima Prefecture. He was classified at Kurogen 86.0 and was officially proven in Japan before being exported – DG0.97 kg, BMS 2.4, and REA 45 cm2.

Hirashigetayasu was sired by Dai 20 Hirashige J287. His maternal great-grandsire is the distinguished Tajiri-line Tayasudoi. Hirashigetayasu Kedaka lineage shows strong propensity for growth and balance with a larger frame. An official Japanese progeny test showed that at least 80 percent of his steers would gain A5 grade, the highest given to carcasses in Japan.

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