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Re: Cattle goals for the new yr and future

Post by TennesseeTuxedo » Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:22 am

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Chocolate Cow2 wrote:I'm 65. Grew up on a Kansas wheat farm. We had cattle and sold tons of small squares of alfalfa loaded onto trucks headed to Texas. Kenneth Sandlin from Greenville, Tx and Richard Florida from Farmersville, Tx hauled most of it. My Great Grandparents and Grandparents farmed the same land I grew up on.
I'm old school because I was taught it's bad manners to ask someone how many cattle they have and how many acres they own/rent. times have changed



its still bad manners.


Bragging is much worse.


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Re: Cattle goals for the new yr and future

Post by callmefence » Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:32 am

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Bfields30 wrote:Thanks guys for all the feed back I really appreciate it I’ve had a lot of help so far haven’t had to buy any equipment yet my neighbor both put hay out for me I’m slowly but surely just getting stuff I need for the time being. And I know sometime this yr I’ll buy a small 40-50 hp tractor that’s in the budget main focus is getting a good bull in the next two months.



My suggestion is not to buy a tractor under 60 hp. It is big enough to move bigger bales.
Nothing worse than not having a tractor big enough. Don’t just look at hp look at wheel base as well.
The most dangerous tractor I ever owned was a short wheel base fwd 50 hp. I stood that tractor on the FEL several times moving hay before trading it in.

http://beeffax.tamu.edu/files/2013/09/2 ... E-319-.pdf


Huge difference in moving an 800 lb bale versus 1200 lb.
Never know what Ma nature is going to deal you. You could sell any size around here this year.


I agree 100 percent. Buy enough tractor.
Hp is not every thing. For example the JD e series. I think it's everything from 45 to 75 how is the same tractor. Same except pulling and PTO power. You go to 85 and you get a bigger machine with more lift. Do your homework.
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Re: Cattle goals for the new yr and future

Post by Chocolate Cow2 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:43 am

"Bragging is much worse"

Agree, TT.

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Post by HDRider » Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:00 am

Chocolate Cow2 wrote:I'm 65. Grew up on a Kansas wheat farm. We had cattle and sold tons of small squares of alfalfa loaded onto trucks headed to Texas. Kenneth Sandlin from Greenville, Tx and Richard Florida from Farmersville, Tx hauled most of it. My Great Grandparents and Grandparents farmed the same land I grew up on.
I'm old school because I was taught it's bad manners to ask someone how many cattle they have and how many acres they own/rent. times have changed

I understand that, and respect it, but it helps when everything is an unknown, you are just learning and you don't know who to listen to.

I never ask, I was taught the same thing.

Being new to cows is hard to relate to for folks that are 2 or more generation into it. You know so much you don't know what all you know.

It is always bad manners to brag. TT is a master of the obvious.
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Re: Cattle goals for the new yr and future

Post by farmerjan » Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:02 am

I understand the "it's bad manners to ask" but I can also see if from another point of view. If you don't ask you can't learn BECAUSE so many that do the asking don't have any family or "past history" to ask from. I am guilty of asking. Mostly because I want to know how a person manages to do what they do on what they have. Can I learn something that they are doing to improve the way I am doing it? I am always impressed with someone who is doing more with less. And we are spread out too much, and with the downturn in the market, are questioning what and how we are doing some things.
One thing that we struggle with is how to balance our time due to full time jobs, and the size we have gotten to. So I like to hear what others have and how they balance it with their other obligations.

My grandmother and great grandmother had 10 cows and they shipped milk on RR cars to NYC from Conn. but that was before I was born. My dad helped as a kid and hated it. He had a couple of horses until he met and married my mom. I got some chickens when I was in 4-H and was always drawn to the "farming life". My grandmother said I was a throwback to Granny's generation.

I started out milking on a dairy after I got divorced. A family friend had been a dairy farmers' daughter and I spent time with them but the dairy was already closed down and they were only raising some heifers. I answered an ad for a milker, got the job and started raising some bottle calves. Got into some veal raising for awhile. Then moved about a days drive south to "enemy territory".... I was a Yankee and moved to Va !!!!! Needed the distance from an ex and the climate here was more conducive to farming due to the longer growing season. Added a calf here and there, bred my heifers/cows. Kept a few beef cows and some nurse cows. Got a job milking and did some AI relief breeding for a SS rep. Worked waitressing inbetween. Then after a bad car wreck, and 2 years of full time waitressing, got the job as a milk tester. Got me back in contact with more farmers, and when my son came south to stay full time, started to expand. Both of us worked full time. Have had to sell out twice due to finances, but always got back in. Now up to between 150 - 200 cow/calf operation. Lot of rented, leased land. But we have lost a couple of places due to sales and will be cutting back a bit to accommodate. Feel like in a couple of years, with many older going out and prices forcing some others out, there will be more places around to rent again. I am 65 and wanting to slow down a little, and the job is fading out due to the horrible shape the dairy industry is in, and many of the farmers are getting older and no one to take them over. Many smaller dairies going out and they will never come back, so my job is being phased out by circumstances in this area.
We buy good registered bulls, and buy and sell some cows. Raise some replacement heifers out of our better cows. Make all our own hay and do some custom. Make and sell small square bales as that is where some cash flow comes from. Sell feeders at 450-600 lbs. off the cows. We are a commercial operation. Might get a little smaller for awhile, and see where it is going. We do as much rotational grazing as we can and sell a few grassfed beef some years. I still have several nurse cows and raise calves on them because I like my dairy cows. Milk for the house and try to be somewhat self sufficient, garden and such. Like most of the hard working farmers and ranchers on here I guess.
One thing I would have done differently, I would have sold more when the prices got crazy high, and made a bit more hay or rented less land, or just had more grazing available for what we had. We did not buy or expand then, but should have sold at least half of what we had and had cash money to sit on. I sold all my own heifers, but my son did not sell many of his and in 3 years we could have bought twice what we sold, for the same dollars. A lesson that was well learned.
One thing here that drives the land available, is that the owners that do not run their own animals, get to begging for a farmer to make hay or graze their places so they can get the land use tax which is about 1/3 or so of normal taxes. So when there are not as many people around doing it, and next thing you know, they cannot find anyone to rent it... they get desperate to keep it under land use. It runs in cycles. The only thing that is against that is all the development and that the bigger parcels are getting more spread out. It will be interesting to see what the next 5 years will bring here.

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Re: Cattle goals for the new yr and future

Post by Caustic Burno » Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:10 am

farmerjan wrote:I understand the "it's bad manners to ask" but I can also see if from another point of view. If you don't ask you can't learn BECAUSE so many that do the asking don't have any family or "past history" to ask from. I am guilty of asking. Mostly because I want to know how a person manages to do what they do on what they have. Can I learn something that they are doing to improve the way I am doing it? I am always impressed with someone who is doing more with less. And we are spread out too much, and with the downturn in the market, are questioning what and how we are doing some things.
One thing that we struggle with is how to balance our time due to full time jobs, and the size we have gotten to. So I like to hear what others have and how they balance it with their other obligations.

My grandmother and great grandmother had 10 cows and they shipped milk on RR cars to NYC from Conn. but that was before I was born. My dad helped as a kid and hated it. He had a couple of horses until he met and married my mom. I got some chickens when I was in 4-H and was always drawn to the "farming life". My grandmother said I was a throwback to Granny's generation.

I started out milking on a dairy after I got divorced. A family friend had been a dairy farmers' daughter and I spent time with them but the dairy was already closed down and they were only raising some heifers. I answered an ad for a milker, got the job and started raising some bottle calves. Got into some veal raising for awhile. Then moved about a days drive south to "enemy territory".... I was a Yankee and moved to Va !!!!! Needed the distance from an ex and the climate here was more conducive to farming due to the longer growing season. Added a calf here and there, bred my heifers/cows. Kept a few beef cows and some nurse cows. Got a job milking and did some AI relief breeding for a SS rep. Worked waitressing inbetween. Then after a bad car wreck, and 2 years of full time waitressing, got the job as a milk tester. Got me back in contact with more farmers, and when my son came south to stay full time, started to expand. Both of us worked full time. Have had to sell out twice due to finances, but always got back in. Now up to between 150 - 200 cow/calf operation. Lot of rented, leased land. But we have lost a couple of places due to sales and will be cutting back a bit to accommodate. Feel like in a couple of years, with many older going out and prices forcing some others out, there will be more places around to rent again. I am 65 and wanting to slow down a little, and the job is fading out due to the horrible shape the dairy industry is in, and many of the farmers are getting older and no one to take them over. Many smaller dairies going out and they will never come back, so my job is being phased out by circumstances in this area.
We buy good registered bulls, and buy and sell some cows. Raise some replacement heifers out of our better cows. Make all our own hay and do some custom. Make and sell small square bales as that is where some cash flow comes from. Sell feeders at 450-600 lbs. off the cows. We are a commercial operation. Might get a little smaller for awhile, and see where it is going. We do as much rotational grazing as we can and sell a few grassfed beef some years. I still have several nurse cows and raise calves on them because I like my dairy cows. Milk for the house and try to be somewhat self sufficient, garden and such. Like most of the hard working farmers and ranchers on here I guess.
One thing I would have done differently, I would have sold more when the prices got crazy high, and made a bit more hay or rented less land, or just had more grazing available for what we had. We did not buy or expand then, but should have sold at least half of what we had and had cash money to sit on. I sold all my own heifers, but my son did not sell many of his and in 3 years we could have bought twice what we sold, for the same dollars. A lesson that was well learned.
One thing here that drives the land available, is that the owners that do not run their own animals, get to begging for a farmer to make hay or graze their places so they can get the land use tax which is about 1/3 or so of normal taxes. So when there are not as many people around doing it, and next thing you know, they cannot find anyone to rent it... they get desperate to keep it under land use. It runs in cycles. The only thing that is against that is all the development and that the bigger parcels are getting more spread out. It will be interesting to see what the next 5 years will bring here.



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Re: Cattle goals for the new yr and future

Post by farmerjan » Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:20 am

Very Cute CB.... been here longer than I was north. Been here since 1981, north 28 years, south 37 years. Friends here say I am a southerner by adoption.... First off I am an american... and an adopted southerner who is proud of my yankee roots. My mothers family came over on the Mayflower and more shortly thereafter.... my dad's family is a mix of french/german/ and some Mohawk Indian... so have my family roots planted in the north but I do love my own Virginia roots.

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Post by Caustic Burno » Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:22 am

farmerjan wrote:Very Cute CB.... been here longer than I was north. Been here since 1981, north 28 years, south 37 years. Friends here say I am a southerner by adoption.... First off I am an american... and an adopted southerner who is proud of my yankee roots. My mothers family came over on the Mayflower and more shortly thereafter.... my dad's family is a mix of french/german/ and some Mohawk Indian... so have my family roots planted in the north but I do love my own Virginia roots.



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Post by farmerjan » Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:41 am

Well, kiss my grits CB you are a Yankee by root.....

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Post by Chocolate Cow2 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:39 pm

If my comment was bragging, I didn't realize it sounded so.

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Post by talltimber » Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:29 pm

I didn't get the impression that you were, CC2, and didn't pick up on that anyone else did either.

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Post by TennesseeTuxedo » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:47 pm

Chocolate Cow2 wrote:If my comment was bragging, I didn't realize it sounded so.


Definately not.
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Post by HDRider » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:50 pm

Chocolate Cow2 wrote:If my comment was bragging, I didn't realize it sounded so.

No, TT just likes to throw stuff in no matter if it fits or not.
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Post by TennesseeTuxedo » Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:53 pm

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Chocolate Cow2 wrote:If my comment was bragging, I didn't realize it sounded so.

No, TT just likes to throw stuff in no matter if it fits or not.


If you’ll go back and look it wasn’t Chocolate whom I quoted when I said that. Try to keep up biker boy.
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Post by sim.-ang.king » Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:04 pm

Pot stirring is also bad manners.

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