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Tim

holstein bull

Postby Tim » Fri Apr 09, 1999 11:14 am

I have a holstein bull that is a year old. I also have a heifer that is a year old. Both were raised on a bottle. She is not holstein..looks to be part angus and who knows what else. She is black with just a small spot or two of white under her belly. My question is this: is it wise to breed her to the holstein?
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Phil

Re: holstein bull

Postby Phil » Fri Apr 09, 1999 2:18 pm

(User Above) wrote:: I have a holstein bull that is a year old. I also have a heifer that is a year old. Both were raised on a bottle. She is not holstein..looks to be part angus and who knows what else. She is black with just a small spot or two of white under her belly. My question is this: is it wise to breed her to the holstein?<p>Tim, Due to the size of the Holstein breed I would<br>not breed any kind of heifer to the Holstein. Maybe<br>as a second calf cow. Bull birth weight would be<br>another indicator also. If you obtained this bull<br>as a baby, how big was he? 60 lb, 80 lb or 100 lb.<br>This might help you decide. Also a local vet might<br>do a pelvic measurement and tell if she will have<br>much problem in delivery.<p>First calf heifers are almost always a calving risk<br>and I would consider finding a low birth weight<br>bull to breed this heifer to.<p>Wish you luck!<p>Phil

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Tim

Re: Re: holstein bull

Postby Tim » Fri Apr 09, 1999 6:35 pm

(User Above) wrote:: : I have a holstein bull that is a year old. I also have a heifer that is a year old. Both were raised on a bottle. She is not holstein..looks to be part angus and who knows what else. She is black with just a small spot or two of white under her belly. My question is this: is it wise to breed her to the holstein?<p>: Tim, Due to the size of the Holstein breed I would<br>: not breed any kind of heifer to the Holstein. Maybe<br>: as a second calf cow. Bull birth weight would be<br>: another indicator also. If you obtained this bull<br>: as a baby, how big was he? 60 lb, 80 lb or 100 lb.<br>: This might help you decide. Also a local vet might<br>: do a pelvic measurement and tell if she will have<br>: much problem in delivery.<p>: First calf heifers are almost always a calving risk<br>: and I would consider finding a low birth weight<br>: bull to breed this heifer to.<p>: Wish you luck!<p>: Phil<p>Phil,<br>he probably weighed close to 60 lbs at birth...not really sure. i got him when he was a couple of weeks old. (not from original owner)i saved him from a veal operation. (LOL)

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Denny

Re: holstein bull

Postby Denny » Sat Apr 10, 1999 10:00 pm

<br>: I have a holstein bull that is a year old. I also have a heifer that is a year old. Both were raised on a bottle. She is not holstein..looks to be part angus and who knows what else. She is black with just a small spot or two of white under her belly. My question is this: is it wise to breed her to the holstein?<p>
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Denny

Re: holstein bull

Postby Denny » Sat Apr 10, 1999 10:09 pm

<br>: I have a holstein bull that is a year old. I also have a heifer that is a year old. Both were raised on a bottle. She is not holstein..looks to be part angus and who knows what else. She is black with just a small spot or two of white under her belly. My question is this: is it wise to breed her to the holstein?<p>Tim,<br> I think you should also consider what you want to raise the calf for. In all likely-hood if you raised the heifer as a bottle calf she is probably a dairy-beef cross, perhaps angus and holstein. This means any calves from her and the holstein bull are going to be more Dairy than Beef type and not the best for butchering. On the other hand breeding her back to a beef type bull and her being part dairy she would produce plenty of milk to raise a beef calf. I've known of lots of cows of this background that could even have a second calf added to them and produce enough milk for both of them.<br>Goodluck<br> Denny
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tim

Re: Re: holstein bull

Postby tim » Sat Apr 10, 1999 10:56 pm

(User Above) wrote:: <br>: : I have a holstein bull that is a year old. I also have a heifer that is a year old. Both were raised on a bottle. She is not holstein..looks to be part angus and who knows what else. She is black with just a small spot or two of white under her belly. My question is this: is it wise to breed her to the holstein?<p>: Tim,<br>: I think you should also consider what you want to raise the calf for. In all likely-hood if you raised the heifer as a bottle calf she is probably a dairy-beef cross, perhaps angus and holstein. This means any calves from her and the holstein bull are going to be more Dairy than Beef type and not the best for butchering. On the other hand breeding her back to a beef type bull and her being part dairy she would produce plenty of milk to raise a beef calf. I've known of lots of cows of this background that could even have a second calf added to them and produce enough milk for both of them.<br>: Goodluck<br>: Denny<br>Denny,<br>they are just pets lol. always wanted some cows, so now i have some. if her first calf is a bull, i know i'll have to either have him "fixed" or sell. do you know how expensive it is to have one pinched or whatever they do?<br>

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Janet

Re: Re: Re: holstein bull

Postby Janet » Sun Apr 11, 1999 12:20 am

If you can get another farmer to come out and "band" a calf for you it should be fairly cheap compared to having a vet do it. The heifer isn't ready to breed yet though... she should be 15 months old when she is bred. My advice to you is to get that bull in the freezer soon. When he matures you are going to have your hands full and I hope you don't get hurt... or someone else! He may seem like a baby now but when the hormones start watch out! He shouldn't be with the heifer right now either. If he breeds her this early you are asking for problems when she calves due to her age. Just something to keep in mind... A bull is a bull, whether bottle-fed or not.<p>
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Phil

Re: Re: Re: holstein bull

Postby Phil » Mon Apr 12, 1999 9:15 am

(User Above) wrote:: : : I have a holstein bull that is a year old. I also have a heifer that is a year old. Both were raised on a bottle. She is not holstein..looks to be part angus and who knows what else. She is black with just a small spot or two of white under her belly. My question is this: is it wise to breed her to the holstein?<p>: : Tim, Due to the size of the Holstein breed I would<br>: : not breed any kind of heifer to the Holstein. Maybe<br>: : as a second calf cow. Bull birth weight would be<br>: : another indicator also. If you obtained this bull<br>: : as a baby, how big was he? 60 lb, 80 lb or 100 lb.<br>: : This might help you decide. Also a local vet might<br>: : do a pelvic measurement and tell if she will have<br>: : much problem in delivery.<p>: : First calf heifers are almost always a calving risk<br>: : and I would consider finding a low birth weight<br>: : bull to breed this heifer to.<p>: : Wish you luck!<p>: : Phil<p>: Phil,<br>: he probably weighed close to 60 lbs at birth...not really sure. i got him when he was a couple of weeks old. (not from original owner)i saved him from a veal operation. (LOL)<p>Tim<br>60 lbs would not be a bad birth weight, but as <br>another gentleman said you may wish to breed your<br>heifer to a beef type bull! With your bull near<br>a year old you may wish to have a vet casterate the<br>bull. If you have a means of transporting the bull<br>and have a large animal vet nearby give him a call<br>to see how much (less than $10.00) if you carry the<br>bull to the office and with a bull that size be <br>sure who ever does it knows what they're doing not <br>only for the bull's sake but for all the helpers<br>also. The net is helpful for this exchange but if <br>you can locate a county agent, he or she may can <br>direct you to a local cattleman or livestock specialist<br>who can help you decide which way to go. By the <br>way where are you located?<p>Again, Good Luck, Phil

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Denny

Re: holstein bull

Postby Denny » Mon Apr 12, 1999 10:42 pm

<br>: I have a holstein bull that is a year old. I also have a heifer that is a year old. Both were raised on a bottle. She is not holstein..looks to be part angus and who knows what else. She is black with just a small spot or two of white under her belly. My question is this: is it wise to breed her to the holstein?<br>Tim, <br> I just want to say I agree with everything Janet told you. Holstein or any dairy breed of bull have a reputation for being very aggresive. I had a friend that was a skilled Dairyman that was nearly killed by a mature Holstein Bull. Your talking a potential 2000 lb. animal. If your heifer is 1 year old she could very well be coming into heat already and a 1 year old bull can get the job done, castrate or sell as soon as possible. Also like Janet said most experts recommend a heifer not calving for the first time until she is 2 years old.<br> Good Luck<br> Denny<br>
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