CATTLE DEATHS FROM IVOMEC

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Re: CATTLE DEATHS FROM IVOMEC

Postby FARMR » Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:24 pm

Eight cattle were posted and nothing remarkable was determined. One calf may have shown some sign of pneumonia. Nine calves died suddenly 4 days after vaccination. The other 8 calves showed permanent neurological symptoms (poor gait, ataxia) and then died over the next month after stopping eating and general health deterioration.
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Re: CATTLE DEATHS FROM IVOMEC

Postby FARMR » Mon May 14, 2012 10:30 am

I am looking for a retired large animal vet to use as an expert witness. I have talked to alot of vets in the area but since my issues are with the Univ of Mo vet clinic, no one wants to get involved. Please send me a name and contact info. I did not expect to find all of the ethics and criminal issues with a state institution and then have to fight a whole legal department to get compensation.
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Re: CATTLE DEATHS FROM IVOMEC

Postby Farmerjon » Mon May 14, 2012 11:44 am

Have you ever watched "Bitter Harvest" with Ronnie Howard about the 1970's feed additive problem in dairy cattle? If not, watch it and learn what it is like to fight "city hall".
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Re: CATTLE DEATHS FROM IVOMEC

Postby medicinewoman » Mon May 14, 2012 12:11 pm

I have never heard of Ivomec killing cattle but I have heard of it killing dogs when used in conjunction with Comfortis flea control.
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Re: CATTLE DEATHS FROM IVOMEC

Postby medicinewoman » Mon May 14, 2012 12:41 pm

Just curious, what does their diet consist of?

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Re: CATTLE DEATHS FROM IVOMEC

Postby inyati13 » Tue May 15, 2012 5:17 am

I had the Vet here Friday (Northern Kentucky close to the Ohio river). He said that the warble fly or heel fly of the genus Hypoderma are almost non-existant in this area now due to the use of pour-on parasiticides. He said he has not seen a side effect of that nature due to the use of the pour-on parasiticides. He said use the pour-ons in fall and spring. If you want specific times, he recommends 4th of July and Thanksgiving. I have used Ivomec on calves and usually I over-estimate the weight; no problems.
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Re: CATTLE DEATHS FROM IVOMEC

Postby highgrit » Tue May 15, 2012 6:55 am

Maybe you should not use Ivomec in the winter. I have used Ivomec plenty and had no problems whats so ever.
Sounds like someone looking for something for nothing, or a dogooder stirring up trouble.
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Re: CATTLE DEATHS FROM IVOMEC

Postby Lucky_P » Tue May 15, 2012 9:25 am

I've not seen a cow with warbles since sometime back in the 1970s. Have spent time in veterinary practice, diagnostic pathology, and beef production in AL, TN, MO, and KY during those 30+ years - seeing mostly cattle, day-in/day-out, during all seasons of the year. I just don't see warbles any more. Have not really seen or heard of any significant issues related to inappropriate use of ivermectin or the pour-on grubicides since Ivomec came on the market, back in the early '80s.
I still teach my students about the concerns related to treating while the warble larvae are migrating around the esophagus or spinal cord - but also tell them that it's almost an issue of historical significance, at least in this part of the world.
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Re: CATTLE DEATHS FROM IVOMEC

Postby agmantoo » Tue May 15, 2012 9:42 am

FARMR

Is your herd a "closed" herd? Thanks
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Re: CATTLE DEATHS FROM IVOMEC

Postby FARMR » Tue May 15, 2012 10:45 pm

I do not treat my cattle with ivermectin at all. My cattle are healthy and I rotate the pastures so worms are not a problem. I know what a heel fly is and I do see them. I also see my cattle "gadding" in the summer when the flys are out. I do not see the need to use a product when it is not necessary. The point is my cattle were fine and healthy until ivermectin was used and 4 days later they were dead or dying. It really irks me that the vet administered it when I told him explicitly not to, then he and the university walk away for me to take the total loss. I am fighting this on principal, and I have been told numerous times that I am fighting a losing battle.
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Re: CATTLE DEATHS FROM IVOMEC

Postby FARMR » Tue May 15, 2012 11:13 pm

I have talked to numerous vets and they do not make followup calls to see if there were any losses. The first few times that I lost calves I thought that it was just bad luck and did not correlate to the vaccination. I also dont think that many cattlemen work cattle dec,jan,feb is another reason that so few know of this problem.
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Re: CATTLE DEATHS FROM IVOMEC

Postby RD-Sam » Wed May 16, 2012 6:01 pm

medicinewoman wrote:I have never heard of Ivomec killing cattle but I have heard of it killing dogs when used in conjunction with Comfortis flea control.
http://www.bullnettlenews.com/forum/yaf ... users.aspx


If a dog is infested with heartworm, ivomec will likely kill the dog. It's possible the same thing happened with the cattle, even the calves. You have to be careful what you do when an animal is infested with parasites.
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Re: CATTLE DEATHS FROM IVOMEC

Postby RD-Sam » Wed May 16, 2012 6:08 pm

FARMR wrote:I do not treat my cattle with ivermectin at all. My cattle are healthy and I rotate the pastures so worms are not a problem. I know what a heel fly is and I do see them. I also see my cattle "gadding" in the summer when the flys are out. I do not see the need to use a product when it is not necessary. The point is my cattle were fine and healthy until ivermectin was used and 4 days later they were dead or dying. It really irks me that the vet administered it when I told him explicitly not to, then he and the university walk away for me to take the total loss. I am fighting this on principal, and I have been told numerous times that I am fighting a losing battle.


That sounds like your whole problem, the cattle have not been on a routine for worming and vaccinating. Sounds like you are trying to blame someone else for you're lack of maintaining the health of the herd.
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Re: CATTLE DEATHS FROM IVOMEC

Postby baleflipper » Wed May 16, 2012 6:16 pm

What breed of cattle were these that died? I have seen the white brahma cows foam at the mouth and stagger after treating with Ivomec.The hereford cattle have no reaction.
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Re: CATTLE DEATHS FROM IVOMEC

Postby FARMR » Wed May 16, 2012 9:25 pm

they are crossbred angus cattle. It seems that most farmers believe big pharmas propaganda. The drug companies are only trying to sell their product are are not there to help livestock or the farmer. In some cases the cure is worse than the disease.
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