Hereford vs Blk Hereford

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Hereford vs Blk Hereford

Post by Muddy » Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:31 pm

Anyone raises or running black Hereford? I am thinking about getting a black Hereford bull but the plan is not set in the stone. I do love the calves from the red Hereford bulls but I don't realized that we have more red carriers in herd than we thought.



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Re: Hereford vs Blk Hereford

Post by M.Magis » Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:59 am

Assuming this is serious...
I too tried a hereford bull and found more red carrier cows than I expected. I sold him and bought a black simmental bull. Much easier to find around here, and calves are all solid black or brockle/blaze faced.

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Re: Hereford vs Blk Hereford

Post by Ky hills » Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:56 am

Never used a black Hereford before, so can't speak as to anything about them in comparison. Have used Hereford Bulls several years. Our solid black cows so far must not be red carriers, but it is very possible. Our BWF on the other hand frequently have red calves.
In theory the black Herefords will give black calves, however I would be carefull and make sure that the bull was in fact homozygous black or at least double black. I have seen some black Herefords advertised as black Herefords but their dams were red.

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Re: Hereford vs Blk Hereford

Post by Aaron » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:18 am

Ky hills wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:56 am
Never used a black Hereford before, so can't speak as to anything about them in comparison. Have used Hereford Bulls several years. Our solid black cows so far must not be red carriers, but it is very possible. Our BWF on the other hand frequently have red calves.
In theory the black Herefords will give black calves, however I would be carefull and make sure that the bull was in fact hzomozygous black or at least double black. I have seen some black Herefords advertised as black Herefords but their dams were red.
That is what I thought. Pay big money for heathen 'breed' and still end up with red calves. That would make me laugh.
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Re: Hereford vs Blk Hereford

Post by Muddy » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:09 pm

Ky hills wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:56 am
Never used a black Hereford before, so can't speak as to anything about them in comparison. Have used Hereford Bulls several years. Our solid black cows so far must not be red carriers, but it is very possible. Our BWF on the other hand frequently have red calves.
In theory the black Herefords will give black calves, however I would be carefull and make sure that the bull was in fact homozygous black or at least double black. I have seen some black Herefords advertised as black Herefords but their dams were red.
I noticed lot of black Herefords has a red dam or a red granddam as well in their pedigree. I think Id preferred homozygous black ones. I don't know what is their average wean weights in commercial herd with black Hereford bulls. I do want some pounds in the calves but I also want some better uniformity and still have white faces.

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Re: Hereford vs Blk Hereford

Post by Allenw » Thu Apr 18, 2019 6:39 am

Muddy wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:09 pm
Ky hills wrote:
Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:56 am
Never used a black Hereford before, so can't speak as to anything about them in comparison. Have used Hereford Bulls several years. Our solid black cows so far must not be red carriers, but it is very possible. Our BWF on the other hand frequently have red calves.
In theory the black Herefords will give black calves, however I would be carefull and make sure that the bull was in fact homozygous black or at least double black. I have seen some black Herefords advertised as black Herefords but their dams were red.
I noticed lot of black Herefords has a red dam or a red granddam as well in their pedigree. I think Id preferred homozygous black ones. I don't know what is their average wean weights in commercial herd with black Hereford bulls. I do want some pounds in the calves but I also want some better uniformity and still have white faces.
Starting with a cross bred bull isn't a way to get uniformity. Fire and ice matings aren't any better even if both sides are purebred.

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Re: Hereford vs Blk Hereford

Post by W.B. » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:24 am

The black white face cattle are not Herefords they are crossbreds. Crossbreds will not breed as true. Some will never understand it.

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Re: Hereford vs Blk Hereford

Post by Muddy » Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:49 pm

I am fully aware of them being "crossbred" but it could be said the same thing for many black breeds. I do knew that these black Hereford isn't a Hereford but then again a black simmental isn't a simmental to me. Im just saying that they'll eliminate the unwanted red hided calves if you use right bull AND I do like my red angus cows better than black angus cows. After all the markets will pay a little more for a group of bwf calves and its easy to switch a bull than switch an entire herd.

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Re: Hereford vs Blk Hereford

Post by elkwc » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:03 pm

Muddy wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:49 pm
I am fully aware of them being "crossbred" but it could be said the same thing for many black breeds. I do knew that these black Hereford isn't a Hereford but then again a black simmental isn't a simmental to me. Im just saying that they'll eliminate the unwanted red hided calves if you use right bull AND I do like my red angus cows better than black angus cows. After all the markets will pay a little more for a group of bwf calves and its easy to switch a bull than switch an entire herd.
Well stated. Amazes me at those who call a Black Hereford a crossbred a d tirn around a d state a Black Simental is a Simmental.Neither one is true to the original breed.

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