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<blockquote data-quote="farmerjan" data-source="post: 1621185" data-attributes="member: 25884"><p>We used to not bother them because of several "old timers" that said if you see them and you are not having any losses in your animals, then they are keeping the small animals (rabbits, groundhogs etc) in check. Plus, if you are not having any problems, they will discourage any others from coming in that might start attacking your livestock. But then we lost a couple calves that were like 24 hours old. Son saw them, actually tagged one, one afternoon, and the next day the cow is walking the fence looking for her calf. He got to looking, thinking maybe it got under the fence, and found it several hundred feet away.... mostly only some skin and head and stuff, but with the brand new tag. Saw 2 coyotes the next day after a 3 day old calf. So that ended the tolerance factor. Maybe we had one that was keeping the problem ones out of the area, and something happened to it, who knows. Now there are so many around all the time, friends with goats have lost several kids that were in the 20-30 lb size.... and a neighbor about 5-6 miles away came on a pack of 4 or 5 that attacked a newborn calf that the cow had just had and was trying to protect. He got 2 or 3 of them, calf was dead, and 2 days later the cow had been attacked in the same area. He had to shoot her and she became the last feeding spot any of them ever had again.....</p><p></p><p>Dogs here are a problem sometimes too, but people are more careful to keep them contained because there have been a few that have been fined for the dogs harrassing livestock, and one time 3 dogs got in and killed several of our pregnant ewes, and they paid dearly for the value of the sheep. The dogs were seen by another neighbor, and video taped running the sheep, and the 2 owners of the 3 dogs out running loose were visited by the sheriffs' dept and basically told the laws and that they would and could take the dogs and have them put down, pay a fine, pay for the sheep...... or they could pay for the sheep and be glad that we didn't shoot the dogs, and to keep the dogs tied, penned or that the next time they would be shot on sight. The one owner was very apologetic for his dog being out loose, and very nice, and paid his fair share. The other wasn't as apologetic about it, but we never saw the dogs again. There are other dogs that have just never returned home. We don't bother them if we see them just going across a field and paying no attention to the animals (cows) ; but the sheep lots are fenced down to within about 3 inches of the ground, woven wire fencing, and there is no reason for the dogs to be in there. Some places we run donkeys or llamas with the sheep and that has stopped most of it. The dogs often do not mess with our rams because they will fight and their horns hurt if they hit you with them. But our sheep are White Texas Dall sheep, semi-wild, not like domestic sheep. </p><p></p><p>We also have a HUGE white tail deer population, so the coyotes are not without lots of other game to eat. They are devouring the wheat that is trying to grow on the one field that we planted it in last fall. Saw 7, 2 nights ago just working their way across the field. Last year I saw 11 skunks dead, within a 10 mile stretch of road, so we are not without plenty of them and the ground hogs are tearing up the hayfields. I have 3 here at the house that are huge and the coyotes have not gotten them yet. Shot 3 last year and there are always more to take their place. The foxes are doing more to keep down the varmint population than the coyotes. Problem is that the more coyotes, the foxes move out of the area. Have raccoons and possums constantly being trapped around the chickens. So I have no qualms about shooting the coyotes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="farmerjan, post: 1621185, member: 25884"] We used to not bother them because of several "old timers" that said if you see them and you are not having any losses in your animals, then they are keeping the small animals (rabbits, groundhogs etc) in check. Plus, if you are not having any problems, they will discourage any others from coming in that might start attacking your livestock. But then we lost a couple calves that were like 24 hours old. Son saw them, actually tagged one, one afternoon, and the next day the cow is walking the fence looking for her calf. He got to looking, thinking maybe it got under the fence, and found it several hundred feet away.... mostly only some skin and head and stuff, but with the brand new tag. Saw 2 coyotes the next day after a 3 day old calf. So that ended the tolerance factor. Maybe we had one that was keeping the problem ones out of the area, and something happened to it, who knows. Now there are so many around all the time, friends with goats have lost several kids that were in the 20-30 lb size.... and a neighbor about 5-6 miles away came on a pack of 4 or 5 that attacked a newborn calf that the cow had just had and was trying to protect. He got 2 or 3 of them, calf was dead, and 2 days later the cow had been attacked in the same area. He had to shoot her and she became the last feeding spot any of them ever had again..... Dogs here are a problem sometimes too, but people are more careful to keep them contained because there have been a few that have been fined for the dogs harrassing livestock, and one time 3 dogs got in and killed several of our pregnant ewes, and they paid dearly for the value of the sheep. The dogs were seen by another neighbor, and video taped running the sheep, and the 2 owners of the 3 dogs out running loose were visited by the sheriffs' dept and basically told the laws and that they would and could take the dogs and have them put down, pay a fine, pay for the sheep...... or they could pay for the sheep and be glad that we didn't shoot the dogs, and to keep the dogs tied, penned or that the next time they would be shot on sight. The one owner was very apologetic for his dog being out loose, and very nice, and paid his fair share. The other wasn't as apologetic about it, but we never saw the dogs again. There are other dogs that have just never returned home. We don't bother them if we see them just going across a field and paying no attention to the animals (cows) ; but the sheep lots are fenced down to within about 3 inches of the ground, woven wire fencing, and there is no reason for the dogs to be in there. Some places we run donkeys or llamas with the sheep and that has stopped most of it. The dogs often do not mess with our rams because they will fight and their horns hurt if they hit you with them. But our sheep are White Texas Dall sheep, semi-wild, not like domestic sheep. We also have a HUGE white tail deer population, so the coyotes are not without lots of other game to eat. They are devouring the wheat that is trying to grow on the one field that we planted it in last fall. Saw 7, 2 nights ago just working their way across the field. Last year I saw 11 skunks dead, within a 10 mile stretch of road, so we are not without plenty of them and the ground hogs are tearing up the hayfields. I have 3 here at the house that are huge and the coyotes have not gotten them yet. Shot 3 last year and there are always more to take their place. The foxes are doing more to keep down the varmint population than the coyotes. Problem is that the more coyotes, the foxes move out of the area. Have raccoons and possums constantly being trapped around the chickens. So I have no qualms about shooting the coyotes. [/QUOTE]
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