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Re: vermeer rebel 5400 problem

Postby ddd75 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:36 pm

jltrent wrote:Here is a pic of my 505M Silage baler that will be almost exactly like yours. Loosen the three bolts on the pickup on the left side of the baler or right side looking from the front back. Rotate the bolts to the right as you can see I have done in the past and it will make a lot of difference in starting a bale. (as the teeth get older this makes them more aggressive) I baled 490 bales this spring with the baler and only one time, operator error, as I hit the windrow at and angle with a big clump from were the wheel rake had made did I miss starting a bale. The baler has over 14k on the monitor and still has the original teeth and belts as the belts are getting pretty slick.

I also looked it up in the manual. I have seen people buy new teeth and belts which I am sure helps, but a 5 minute job costing zero will work most of the time.

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thank you very much i'll try this out tomorrow.
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Re: vermeer rebel 5400 problem

Postby True Grit Farms » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:09 pm

I had my Vermeer dealer set my baler up on a Saturday. The owners who are brothers were the only one's in the shop. Now it works better than new. If you ever get a baler set up right, it's almost like a day off.
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Re: vermeer rebel 5400 problem

Postby ddd75 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:31 pm

ok, I adjusted the cam setting 1/2" more aggresive, and tightened up a few chains.


Another thing I forgot to mention was that the belts don't want to turn when I turn on the PTO .. if I open the tailgate a little they'll start rolling, once I shut it they start turning pretty slow. I'm thinking this is part of the reason why its jamming up.

The belts don't seem overly tight.. Anyway to adjust this? Once it starts baling they are running like they should. just when you start.

i have hay to bale tomorrow so i'll be able to test it out again.
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Re: vermeer rebel 5400 problem

Postby jltrent » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:55 pm

ddd75 wrote:ok, I adjusted the cam setting 1/2" more aggresive, and tightened up a few chains.


Another thing I forgot to mention was that the belts don't want to turn when I turn on the PTO .. if I open the tailgate a little they'll start rolling, once I shut it they start turning pretty slow. I'm thinking this is part of the reason why its jamming up.

The belts don't seem overly tight.. Anyway to adjust this? Once it starts baling they are running like they should. just when you start.

i have hay to bale tomorrow so i'll be able to test it out again.


My "I" baler is like that with the belts lose until starting, they will turn once hay gets against them. What starts the bale is the teeth and starter roller and then the belts turn it when pressure applied.
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Re: vermeer rebel 5400 problem

Postby True Grit Farms » Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:19 pm

ddd75 wrote:ok, I adjusted the cam setting 1/2" more aggresive, and tightened up a few chains.


Another thing I forgot to mention was that the belts don't want to turn when I turn on the PTO .. if I open the tailgate a little they'll start rolling, once I shut it they start turning pretty slow. I'm thinking this is part of the reason why its jamming up.

The belts don't seem overly tight.. Anyway to adjust this? Once it starts baling they are running like they should. just when you start.

i have hay to bale tomorrow so i'll be able to test it out again.

There's a adjustment on the port side that tightens the belts up. You want them to just barely rotate without a load on them.
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Re: vermeer rebel 5400 problem

Postby ddd75 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:41 pm

i see.. well looks like its right then.

i'll let you guys know how it goes tomorrow.. the hay is pretty dry.. just cut on fri and probably could of baled tonight but i'm going to wait until tomorrow afternoon.
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Re: vermeer rebel 5400 problem

Postby pricefarm » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:50 pm

I have a 554 XL Vermeer. The belts on mine will turn real slow until you start hay in then they go fine. I have rolled over 500 rolls so far and only plugged it up once when I was starting a roll and hit a big wet clump of hay.
I think if you adjusted the pick up tEETH you will be good.
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Re: vermeer rebel 5400 problem

Postby ddd75 » Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:39 pm

well.. ended up baling 65 bales with it today. worked out pretty good. It plugged on the first one just like it was doing before.. got a wet ball stuck and wouldn't let the core turn.

Would moving it another 1/2" help this out?

I moved to the 2nd row and it started baling good and never missed a beat the whole time. I baled the outside rows last. I could tell a pretty big difference in how it was sucking the hay.

Thanks for all the help guys!
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Re: vermeer rebel 5400 problem

Postby jltrent » Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:29 pm

ddd75 wrote:well.. ended up baling 65 bales with it today. worked out pretty good. It plugged on the first one just like it was doing before.. got a wet ball stuck and wouldn't let the core turn.

Would moving it another 1/2" help this out?

I moved to the 2nd row and it started baling good and never missed a beat the whole time. I baled the outside rows last. I could tell a pretty big difference in how it was sucking the hay.

Thanks for all the help guys!

Another 1/2" more aggressive (turn to the right) wouldn't hurt a thing and if any teeth damaged/bent/broken replace them also. ALL of them will miss a bale from time to time, especially a wet clump.

Try to center the windrow up with the pickup when starting a bale, and bale the same direction the hay is raked helps. Hay that is teddered starts a roll better.
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Re: vermeer rebel 5400 problem

Postby cfpinz » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:14 am

Not sure about the Rebel balers, but on my old L baler there is a small coil compression spring located at the bottom of each large extension tensioning spring. It's on the other side of the bracket that holds the bottom of the tensioner spring. This spring needs to be adjusted to 4-1/2" long when the baler is empty in order for the belts to have enough tension on them to turn before starting a bale. It also helps to open the rear gate fully and take compressed air and blow the chaff out from between the coils on the tensioner springs.
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Re: vermeer rebel 5400 problem

Postby hurleyjd » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:36 am

I suffered for two years with a Rebel 5400. One thing I did was change the radial pin clutch to a friction clutch with discs. Cousins borrowed the tractor and baler to bale about fifteen bales. They tried to clear a plug by turning the PTO off and on the cleat the plug. The radial pin clutch would rattle the whole drive line.They stripped the PTO drive gears and the cost to fix the tractor was right at $3500 they put a new mechanic on it and he thought he had to total disassemble the rear to get the shaft out. He did not realize that the gear and shaft could be pulled with a threaded slide hammer. I still have the tractor but it is always a problem. I finally fixed the 5400 in September I looked at a 5410 with net and made and offer of $10000 0ne year old less than a thousand bales. They offer was accepted. I cleaned the 5400 set it outside to sell and sold it for 8500. Now I am having some trouble with the 5410 and I think I know what it is will get to it when I have some hay to bale.
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Re: vermeer rebel 5400 problem

Postby jltrent » Fri Sep 28, 2018 12:47 pm

Seems like a lot of changes at Vermeer. Part # s have changed prices have went up. I wonder if not new ownership.
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Re: vermeer rebel 5400 problem

Postby pricefarm » Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:47 pm

jltrent wrote:Seems like a lot of changes at Vermeer. Part # s have changed prices have went up. I wonder if not new ownership.


If they go up on prices I will probably switch brands next time I buy a roller. I have always thought that parts was reasonable priced and the roller where priced good for what you got. The Deere dealer is a lot closer to me and has better service than the Vermeer dealer.
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Re: vermeer rebel 5400 problem

Postby jltrent » Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:05 pm

pricefarm wrote:
jltrent wrote:Seems like a lot of changes at Vermeer. Part # s have changed prices have went up. I wonder if not new ownership.


If they go up on prices I will probably switch brands next time I buy a roller. I have always thought that parts was reasonable priced and the roller where priced good for what you got. The Deere dealer is a lot closer to me and has better service than the Vermeer dealer.


They have a baler like the green one now and maybe trying to match their price. The part #509066001 was $54 in 2010, $72 in 2014 and now the same part with a different # is $172 at the local dealer. I found one old stock online for $78.72.
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Re: vermeer rebel 5400 problem

Postby pricefarm » Sat Sep 29, 2018 8:25 am

Wow that's a big increase in price. I have always had a hard time finding parts online for Vermeer rollers.
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