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Why don't cattle people like TPP?

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:54 pm
by angus9259
Everything I've read says the US cattle producer wanted the trans-pacific partnership to pass.

http://www.beefmagazine.com/beef-export ... it-us-beef

Is anyone concerned that it's been abolished? Or is there just a sense that the tariffs will drop even further?

Re: Why don't cattle people like TPP?

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:39 pm
by TennesseeTuxedo
It will be back, keep the faith.

Re: Why don't cattle people like TPP?

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:48 pm
by True Grit Farms
http://mobile.globalmeatnews.com/Livest ... g-in-Japan

Here's why. That's all propaganda by BEEF, and NCBA. These organizations are not working for the small producers. Don't believe anything you read and only half of what you see. Do some research on the beef tarrif in other countries.

Re: Why don't cattle people like TPP?

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:06 pm
by angus9259
I guess I don't believe that everything is propaganda either. It may not benefit the "little guy", I don't know. But it sure seems like it would have sold more beef. Not sure how that's bad for anyone on these boards.....

Re: Why don't cattle people like TPP?

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 9:10 pm
by True Grit Farms
I can't recall all the numbers but TTP didn't create an equal playing field for 15 years for US beef. Australian beef makes up 59% of the beef imported into Japan. The tarrif on US beef is +10% more than the beef imported from Australia. We just need the same tarrif as every other country. Our beef is the best the world and people are willing and do pay more for US beef.
But enough is enough.

Re: Why don't cattle people like TPP?

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:28 am
by angus9259
True Grit Farms wrote:I can't recall all the numbers but TTP didn't create an equal playing field for 15 years for US beef. Australian beef makes up 59% of the beef imported into Japan. The tarrif on US beef is +10% more than the beef imported from Australia. We just need the same tarrif as every other country. Our beef is the best the world and people are willing and do pay more for US beef.
But enough is enough.


That's my point. If you read the TPP, it was going to correct that and have quite a substantial reduction in US beef imports to Japan to single digits. But we walked away from it. I understand if maybe we should have walked away when you look at it in it's totality, but from a beef perspective it had to help.

Re: Why don't cattle people like TPP?

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:41 am
by True Grit Farms
angus9259 wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:I can't recall all the numbers but TTP didn't create an equal playing field for 15 years for US beef. Australian beef makes up 59% of the beef imported into Japan. The tarrif on US beef is +10% more than the beef imported from Australia. We just need the same tarrif as every other country. Our beef is the best the world and people are willing and do pay more for US beef.
But enough is enough.


That's my point. If you read the TPP, it was going to correct that and have quite a substantial reduction in US beef imports to Japan to single digits. But we walked away from it. I understand if maybe we should have walked away when you look at it in it's totality, but from a beef perspective it had to help.


I agree with that assessment. We needed a better deal from the start, put the US of A first.

Re: Why don't cattle people like TPP?

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:38 pm
by Red Bull Breeder
Look at the whole TPP deal. Was it good for the country as a whole. I would much rather Americans have jobs so they could buy our beef than a free pass for folks from other countries to come in to our country and take jobs.

Re: Why don't cattle people like TPP?

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:59 am
by TennesseeTuxedo
Look for the Trump Pacific Partnership to pass by the end of the year.

It's all about branding baby!

Re: Why don't cattle people like TPP?

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:20 am
by True Grit Farms
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:Look for the Trump Pacific Partnership to pass by the end of the year.

It's all about branding baby!


Our financial future is brighter with this POTUS making the deals for US.

Re: Why don't cattle people like TPP?

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:03 am
by Highpoint
True Grit Farms wrote:
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:Look for the Trump Pacific Partnership to pass by the end of the year.

It's all about branding baby!


Our financial future is brighter with this POTUS making the deals for US.

Amen!

Re: Why don't cattle people like TPP?

Posted: Tue May 15, 2018 6:05 pm
by elkwc
True Grit Farms wrote:http://mobile.globalmeatnews.com/Livestock/US-beef-growing-in-Japan

Here's why. That's all propaganda by BEEF, and NCBA. These organizations are not working for the small producers. Don't believe anything you read and only half of what you see. Do some research on the beef tarrif in other countries.


+1

Re: Why don't cattle people like TPP?

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 1:19 pm
by shaz
Red Bull Breeder wrote:Look at the whole TPP deal. Was it good for the country as a whole. I would much rather Americans have jobs so they could buy our beef than a free pass for folks from other countries to come in to our country and take jobs.


If you look at the trade deficit by category agriculture is a rare bright spot. That means we can produce something here and sell it abroad. Problem is that so few industries produce product cheap enough. I know that's stating the obvious. I understand there are instances of bad trade deals for us but at the end of the day we (the rest of the US) need to cut costs.

Re: Why don't cattle people like TPP?

Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 4:25 pm
by Stocker Steve
Because most people don't produce soy beans or jumbo jets, nor are they full time cattlemen, and so their off farm jobs are being exported to lower cost countries. This has been going on long enough that many people resent it and voted Trump.

Re: Why don't cattle people like TPP?

Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 4:47 pm
by Silver
Time will tell but at this point and from a ranching standpoint I'm glad Canada managed to get in on the TPP. It is undeniable that Canadian beef is the best in the world, so as the playing field levels it should open markets and raise the value of the Canadian beef carcass. Every extra cent we can get for offal and hide is more value, and that has to be good for us. Diversity in markets can't be a bad thing.