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Re: EID tags will be required by 01/1/2021.

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:57 pm
by Hootowl
Buck Randall wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:59 pm
sim.-ang.king wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:00 pm
Will foreign beef require the same tagging, and tractability to be sold in US?
Are foreign producers BQA qualified?
Is COOL labeling required for all foreign beef?

Those are the questions I will be asking the cronies when they show up. Any one of the questions they answer yes to, I will apply to my herd, other wise not gonna happen.


It's all about control, they couldn't kill off the independent beef industry with low prices, and high cost, so they will do it through regulations. Anyone that falls for their lies about helping the industry, is a fool.
Want to help the US Beef industry, then put the foreign beef on the same playing field.
Why would you want foreign producers to get BQA certified or have traceability? It gives the American producer a leg up in the market. Put a big sticker on every product that says "HUMANE RAISED" or "SINGLE SOURCE" and people will pay a premium for it. This is not some inordinate burden or control measure. It's just a tag.
We can't even get the COOL (country of origin) on the label so what would any of this matter. Some South American countries still allow chemicals to be used on cattle and vegetables that were banned here years ago. This will be no better. Identify yours but theirs are ok.

Re: EID tags will be required by 01/1/2021.

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:02 pm
by Hootowl
True Grit Farms wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:24 am
It looks a AIN, "animal identification number" will be required for any animal over 18 months that leaves the farm in Georgia starting January 2021. Good bad or otherwise we have a start to traceability, hopefully more markets will open up for US beef. We haven't heard how it will affect imported beef sold as a product of the US.
Extension Service talked this in VA in the early 2000's. Told people they needed to register their farms or they couldnt sell the cattle. A few did. Most of us laughed at it. It never happened.

Re: EID tags will be required by 01/1/2021.

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:36 pm
by jltrent
What will it help?

Re: EID tags will be required by 01/1/2021.

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:22 pm
by Redgully
sim.-ang.king wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:39 pm
wbvs58 wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:11 pm
sim.-ang.king wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:00 pm
Will foreign beef require the same tagging, and tractability to be sold in US?
Are foreign producers BQA qualified?
Is COOL labeling required for all foreign beef?

Those are the questions I will be asking the cronies when they show up. Any one of the questions they answer yes to, I will apply to my herd, other wise not gonna happen.


It's all about control, they couldn't kill off the independent beef industry with low prices, and high cost, so they will do it through regulations. Anyone that falls for their lies about helping the industry, is a fool.
Want to help the US Beef industry, then put the foreign beef on the same playing field.
Well Sim Australia has had EID for about 13 years now and has full traceability so looks the answer to your first question is YES so looks like you will be doing it.

Ken
I knew the nanny state did already, but we get beef from more than just down under.
A level playing field is all I ask. Domestic or Abroad.
You know many of us were against it when it came in but had been a wonderful thing. Ease of handling as they can just run through the scanners at the saleyards. Traceability right back to where it came should their be a disease outbreak. Every property they have been at is identifiable for quick quarantine. It is protecting YOUR industry. Fruit and vegetables has been doing this for years, traceability and accountability. Nothing is perfect of course and we have the same issues and arguments with imported products. It has actually helped us in the fight against imports on a few occasions and has aloud us in the fruit and vegetable industry gain access to markets we would have had no chance. Every producer here has a PIC (property identification code) and really it is cheap insurance. Being such an advanced and world leading nation i am surprised you guys have not had this years ago. But having said all that it's better for us moving forward if you don't as many countries are now demanding traceability and we are a step ahead there.

Re: EID tags will be required by 01/1/2021.

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:36 pm
by wbvs58
Whaddya reckon Redgully, sooks aren't they? Just don't mention changing over to metric system to them.

Ken

Re: EID tags will be required by 01/1/2021.

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:22 pm
by Red Bull Breeder
If we as a industry are stupid enough to fall for this crap we deserve to be put out of busniess. They told us 20 years age we had to do it. It ain't here yet.

Re: EID tags will be required by 01/1/2021.

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:16 pm
by TennesseeTuxedo
wbvs58 wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:36 pm
Whaddya reckon Redgully, sooks aren't they? Just don't mention changing over to metric system to them.

Ken
That really is a bridge too far.

Re: EID tags will be required by 01/1/2021.

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:23 pm
by Redgully
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:16 pm
wbvs58 wrote:
Sat Jun 08, 2019 7:36 pm
Whaddya reckon Redgully, sooks aren't they? Just don't mention changing over to metric system to them.

Ken
That really is a bridge too far.
Or a kilometer too far.....

Re: EID tags will be required by 01/1/2021.

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:25 pm
by TennesseeTuxedo
We’re just miles apart here.

Re: EID tags will be required by 01/1/2021.

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:30 pm
by Silver
Nesikep wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:35 pm
I really don't see why there's any debate about what frequency tags to use, why not use the ones everyone else is already using?
I have a problem with the low frequency tags. UHF tags would require a scanner that would be a fraction of the cost and could be used over distance. You could actually set a scanner up at a gate and run your cows through and record them all. The low frequency tags are useless unless the cow is in the chute or dead. From a usefulness perspective on the ranch I could imagine a lot of ways to incorporate UHF tags and a reader.

When our system came into place we were promised carcass data and that the tags would never be more than $2.00. Lies.We got some carcass data up to 2014 when the packers who were voluntarily providing data to BIXS decided not to continue. And now we pay $3.00 per tag.
And nobody removes your tag numbers from the system at slaughter. According to CCIA I have a few thousand head in the system.
Could it be a good and helpful system? Yes. Is it? No.

Re: EID tags will be required by 01/1/2021.

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:40 pm
by Nesikep
Silver wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:30 pm
Nesikep wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:35 pm
I really don't see why there's any debate about what frequency tags to use, why not use the ones everyone else is already using?
I have a problem with the low frequency tags. UHF tags would require a scanner that would be a fraction of the cost and could be used over distance. You could actually set a scanner up at a gate and run your cows through and record them all. The low frequency tags are useless unless the cow is in the chute or dead. From a usefulness perspective on the ranch I could imagine a lot of ways to incorporate UHF tags and a reader.

When our system came into place we were promised carcass data and that the tags would never be more than $2.00. Lies.We got some carcass data up to 2014 when the packers who were voluntarily providing data to BIXS decided not to continue. And now we pay $3.00 per tag.
And nobody removes your tag numbers from the system at slaughter. According to CCIA I have a few thousand head in the system.
Could it be a good and helpful system? Yes. Is it? No.
exactly.. the $3 a tag is if you buy 100 or more, otherwise it's $4 each! I only bother tagging steers at birth, heifer calves might get one at birth if I know they're terminal..

I would LOVE to be able to know what the carcass qualities on my animals are like, THAT would really be valuable information to me since I can't exactly see that.

well, there's a way to feel better about the size of your herd.. ask CCIA how many you have.. we probably have 300 or so

Re: EID tags will be required by 01/1/2021.

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:27 am
by 76 Bar
Unless you retain ownership, he$$ will freeze over first before the packer shares carcass data with producers.
I got caught up with the early 2000 optional push for EID tags and ranch ID deal when I was located in CA. When it sunk in, I was mortified to have been so willingly gullible aka incredibly stupid. :bang:

Re: EID tags will be required by 01/1/2021.

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:40 am
by callmefence
Buck Randall wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:19 pm
dieselbeef wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:29 am
CUZ WE NEED MORE CRAP WE DONT GET PAID FOR...
The only producers that this will harm are the ones who probably shouldn't be in the business at all. If we don't get on board, we'll lose markets to someone who does.
I pretty much agree.
The scrapies tag required in the sheep industry is really designed to protect the producer.
It cost three dollars if you let the sale barn handle it. Or you can call the USDA and they will send you more tags than you'll ever use , and several application tools for free. ..

Re: EID tags will be required by 01/1/2021.

Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:58 am
by cbcr
Here is a link to an article that is on the Bullvine about electronic ID. By January 1, 2023 RFID tags will be required instead of the metal tags.

http://www.thebullvine.com/news/electro ... tal-tags/#

Re: EID tags will be required by 01/1/2021.

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:21 am
by Chocolate Cow2
If you want some insight into this push for EID tags read up on the World Wildlife Fund, NCBA and the Global Roundtable for Sustainable Beef.