Selling Second Calvers ?

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Selling Second Calvers ?

Postby Stocker Steve » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:59 pm

One sees suggestions to sell second calvers to avoid cow depreciation and qualify for capital gain tax rates. One also occasionally sees suggestions that second calvers are worth more than bred heifers. Here, they are hard to sell, and usually are sold for slightly less than bred heifers. What do you see in your area?
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Re: Selling Second Calvers ?

Postby Dave » Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:15 pm

They always top the bred cow sale at Toppenish. I have thought about raising a bunch of bred heifers, calf them out, sell that first calf crop, and then dump those coming 3 year olds. I have thought about it. Never really put a pencil to the idea.
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Re: Selling Second Calvers ?

Postby Stocker Steve » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:55 am

Dave wrote:They always top the bred cow sale at Toppenish.


How much of a premium to bred heifers?
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Re: Selling Second Calvers ?

Postby Dave » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:29 am

Stocker Steve wrote:
Dave wrote:They always top the bred cow sale at Toppenish.


How much of a premium to bred heifers?


Oh, a hundred bucks over the top heifers or there abouts. You can watch the sale on line. It is today at 1:00 Pacific time. They will sell fall pairs, then heifers, and then bred cows. I wasn't going but I would have watched except someone made a doctor appointment for me at 2:00 today :devil2: . Well I will miss seeing the heifers sell but get to watch cows. The last thing I saw said they had well over 1,000 head consigned.
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Re: Selling Second Calvers ?

Postby Dave » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:36 pm

By the time I got home I had missed the bred heifers and big lots of younger cows. I turned it on at 5:00. They had been selling since 1:00. They said there were 600 head left to sell. I watched for a hour and kept notes. In that hour they sold 274 head. Only 25 head brought over $1,000 a head. They were all 3 and 4 year olds. Almost all where sold in lots. The biggest lot while watched was 40 head of black broken mouth cows weighing 1,405 that brought $730. The best buy I saw was 18 head of full mouth Char and brown cross bred cows weighing 1,113 bred to a black Angus which brought $650. The vast majority sold between $700 and $800. These were 95% calving Feb 1 to April 15.
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Re: Selling Second Calvers ?

Postby Stocker Steve » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:59 am

In season BM cows brought $675 here this week. Seems to be a lot of people that want to sell cows. :nod: The most motivated buyers I have seen are buying feeder cows. I think the diversified operations have found that feeding corn silage for a couple months is easier way to make money than raising calves.

Second calvers bought $1250 here last week. IF you get 5 calves - - that is $115 per year in depreciation. Bud used to factor in $100 per year to access what is a good trade. I think the outside money is waiting for cow prices to go up before they buy in. :cowboy:
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Re: Selling Second Calvers ?

Postby ddd75 » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:44 am

as with everything.. when its low.. everyone sells.

when its high.. everyone buys.


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Re: Selling Second Calvers ?

Postby 1982vett » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:26 am

Could have swapped 500 lb trailer weaned calves for young 2 month bred black cows head for head last week and still taken a check home.
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Re: Selling Second Calvers ?

Postby Stocker Steve » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:00 pm

1982vett wrote:Could have swapped 500 lb trailer weaned calves for young 2 month bred black cows head for head last week and still taken a check home.


Most here are full up with cows, and perhaps even holding some extra old cows back for a better market.
A few are picking up old cows cheap.
I think looking back in a couple years - - younger cows will have been a better investment.
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Re: Selling Second Calvers ?

Postby 1982vett » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:38 pm

Took about 40 minutes to sell the cows today instead of 2 1/2 hours. Prices were more reasonable for back to the farm. Slaughter cows still in the crapper.
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Re: Selling Second Calvers ?

Postby Dave » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:10 am

The results from the stock cow sale at Toppenish

Toppenish Livestock Auction, Toppenish, WA for Tuesday 12/4/2018

23rd Annual Special Bred Heifer and Stock Cow Sale

Receipts: 2000 Last Week: N/A Year Ago: 2175

Demand was good to very good throughout today’s sale. Market activity was active
to very active with many buyers on hand from all over the country as well as on the
internet. Cattle sold to numerous states. Heifer offerings were natural serviced to
high Quality sons of popular Angus herd sires. Cows and heifers were in light to
moderate flesh condition. All prices are per head.

Bred Heifers (Per Head): Medium and Large 1-2: Natural Service bred and
carrying either sex 1000-1200 lbs 1350.00-1550.00 6-9 mos. bred. 1000-1200 lbs
1000.00-1060.00 1-3 mos. bred.

Bred Cows (Per Head): Medium and Large 1-2: Young 2 coming 3 yrs. olds Natural
Service: 1000-1400 lbs 1200.00-1460.00, few 1000.00-1200.00 6-9 mos. bred; 1100-
1300 lbs 900.00-1100.00 3-6 mos. bred; Mid-Aged (5-9 yrs. Old) 1100-1400 lbs
1200.00-1400.00, few 1050.00-1200.00 6-9 mos. bred; Aged (9-11 yrs. old_ 1200-1500
lbs 900.00-1050.00 6-9 mos. bred. Broken Mouth 1350-1450 lbs 510.00-710.00 6-9 mos.
bred.

Fall Cow/Calf Pairs (Per Pair) Medium and Large 1-2: Young (3-5 yrs. old.) 1100-
1450 lbs 1400.00-1525.00 with 100-125 lbs calves.
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