Wanting to plant some winter pasture

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Wanting to plant some winter pasture

Post by DCB4 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:02 am

I’m wanting to plant something this fall to graze later on in the winter. This will be a completely new adventure for me. I was leaning towards drilling either wheat, or a rye/rye grass mixture. Was looking for thoughts and experiences some of y’all have had with either or any other alternatives. Also wondering how it would compete with fescue? Can I no till into an established fescue pasture and will the fescue emerge in spring or will the wheat try to choke it out? Eventually I’d like to establish some summer annual rotation with these winter pastures but not sure I’d go with a summer annual this coming year or not. I’m located in south western Kentucky



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Re: Wanting to plant some winter pasture

Post by kenny thomas » Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:13 pm

If you have fescue add Urea and stockpile it till Christmas. The wheat will do fine but no chance it will compete with the fescue.
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Re: Wanting to plant some winter pasture

Post by Ebenezer » Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:38 am

A waste of seed on a good fescue stand. Frost seed white and red clover in late winter by broadcasting for the best bang for your buck.

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Re: Wanting to plant some winter pasture

Post by VaCowman » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:13 am

I agree with Kenny and Ebeneezer 100%. Not much will compete with fescue if the sod isn't suppressed. A good dose of N would probably be more advantageous than trying to establish a winter annual, especially this late in the game. Not many options would give you much winter grazing for this year if you planted it now. August is a better month for establishing a forage for winter grazing IMO. A summer annual / winter annual rotation is a good option. I encourage you to consider it, you can really make some fantastic tonnage while you avoid grazing the fescue during the least profitable (fescue) grazing times of the year.

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Re: Wanting to plant some winter pasture

Post by ClinchValley86 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:38 am

I do agree with the above...but...last year i broadcast Ryegrass at about 15 lbs on fescue/clover fields. Then drug with a chain harrow. The stand was about 10 or 12 inches tall. Then moved the cattle on. Let them eat it down a bit to trample the seed more. Stopped feeding hay early March, about 3 weeks before the neighbors. Was worth the money and doing it again on other fields this year. Already have volunteer ryegrass coming up in the fields from last year.

It did thin the fescue a bit possibly. Nothing major though.

I broadcast in october, so seeding now and getting rain will possibly be better results.

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Re: Wanting to plant some winter pasture

Post by VaCowman » Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:30 pm

I have recently drilled in (killed the sod, which was a Sudangrass field in summer) a mixture of oats, ryegrass, crimson clover, winter peas. We got 1/2" rain the next day and I had JUST finished spreading fertilizer as rain came. 3 days later, oats were visible from a distance and ryegrass was about 1" tall. peas hadn't made appearance, but the crimson clover was just busting through in the two leaf stage. 1 week later (d10) The oats are ~4-5", ryegrass is at 2+", crimson is coming along, winter peas are about 2-3" and the mix is thickening up very nicely. Should get adequate grazing on the mix in late Nov/Dec. and plan to pull cattle before grazed too tightly to keep ryegrass in good shape for winter. Next spring, hopefully in early March, the ryegrass should be cranking up and hopefully the clover will ramp up too. If all goes well, should be able to cut WAY back on hay. (I still like to put out some hay when grazing this mix in spring due to RG being so lush. Seems to help stabilize the gut some) A good plan (SG-Summer, Winter annual mix-late fall/early spring) to eliminate/reduce hay requirements, and keep excellent nutrition to cows during typical "hay feeding/low quality feed" time of the year, especially in the fescue belt. Sometimes I will feed some hay from mid-Sept until about mid-October to get a bit of stockpiled perennial forages to incorporate into the mix of annuals to get me through breeding season and into winter/Spring. 60-90d hay is my goal. Much less, I'm leaving $$ on the table, much more and my feeding cost is getting too high.

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