Weed wiper for broomsedge

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Weed wiper for broomsedge

Post by Bigfoot » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:09 am

I bought this prolly 5 years ago or longer at the Famr Machinery Show. Only used it once (I believe I waited too late in the growing season broomsedge was not actively growing). Had mixed results, killed some, but not enough to justify the trouble.

Retired now, and time to “fool” with things. Got it back at and used it Friday.


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It in use today:

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Results from Friday:
Picture does it no justice, but it is turning very yellow. Will it kill it? I’m hoping. Will it be back next spring? I hope not



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Also, I don’t know if this pic will do it justice. You can see a definite line between where I unrolled hay last year, and where I did not. The unrolling has knocked out about 95% of the broomsedge.


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Re: Weed wiper for broomsedge

Post by kenny thomas » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:16 am

Unrolling hay added some needed fertilizer. Soil test and apply to recommendation and you will never have it again. It is an indicator of low phosphorus soil.
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Re: Weed wiper for broomsedge

Post by kenny thomas » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:22 am

Roundup or and of the generic is the recommended treatment and a wick is the treatment method recommended.
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Re: Weed wiper for broomsedge

Post by Bigfoot » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:37 am

kenny thomas wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:16 am
Unrolling hay added some needed fertilizer. Soil test and apply to recommendation and you will never have it again. It is an indicator of low phosphorus soil.
I got some bizarre situation going where lime and fertilizer just make grow taller and thicker. Pretty decent stand of crabgrass under that broomsedge canopy. I’m hoping this’ll knock it.
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Re: Weed wiper for broomsedge

Post by kenny thomas » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:02 am

Bigfoot wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:37 am
kenny thomas wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:16 am
Unrolling hay added some needed fertilizer. Soil test and apply to recommendation and you will never have it again. It is an indicator of low phosphorus soil.
I got some bizarre situation going where lime and fertilizer just make grow taller and thicker. Pretty decent stand of crabgrass under that broomsedge canopy. I’m hoping this’ll knock it.
I promise you that if you soil test phosphorus will be lacking or the PH is off so much that the fertilizer isn't working. Also it normally grows in areas where the other grass is thin. Again a soil test can explain why it's thin also
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Re: Weed wiper for broomsedge

Post by OleScout » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:07 pm

Lime and a lot of it. My place was solid sage at one point. Applied two tons of lime & 200## 19-19-19 to turn it around. Fertilizer the next two years then lime and fertilizer the third year and it cleaned it up.
Now just fight buttercups in the spring and foxtail late summer. 2-4D wipes out the buttercups. Wish I knew what to do about the foxtail.

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Re: Weed wiper for broomsedge

Post by sstterry » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:34 pm

kenny thomas wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:02 am
Bigfoot wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:37 am
kenny thomas wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:16 am
Unrolling hay added some needed fertilizer. Soil test and apply to recommendation and you will never have it again. It is an indicator of low phosphorus soil.
I got some bizarre situation going where lime and fertilizer just make grow taller and thicker. Pretty decent stand of crabgrass under that broomsedge canopy. I’m hoping this’ll knock it.
I promise you that if you soil test phosphorus will be lacking or the PH is off so much that the fertilizer isn't working. Also it normally grows in areas where the other grass is thin. Again a soil test can explain why it's thin also
Kenny is right. If the soil is too acidic it will not release the Phospherus from the soil. A soil test will tell you exactly what you need.

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Re: Weed wiper for broomsedge

Post by snoopdog » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:33 pm

I agree with the above comments, but I will tell you, if you cut it in an early stage for hay, and don't let it get too dry before baling, it aint a bad thing. I've got a lease field that I bale, that has it and assorted mixed grass, and if I get it baled right the cows will run over you for it. If its too dry , forget it.
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Re: Weed wiper for broomsedge

Post by Warren Allison » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:45 pm

We call them wick bars down here. I use them with Roundup to kill the Johnson grass in my bermuda field.

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Re: Weed wiper for broomsedge

Post by sstterry » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:13 am

Let me add to what I said prviously, when you get the soil test, take the samples as reccomended and lime and fertilize just as it calls for. Don't just throw down some 19-19-19 and think you are taking care of the problem. Too many around my area do that.

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Re: Weed wiper for broomsedge

Post by BFE » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:50 am

OleScout wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:07 pm
Lime and a lot of it. My place was solid sage at one point. Applied two tons of lime & 200## 19-19-19 to turn it around. Fertilizer the next two years then lime and fertilizer the third year and it cleaned it up.
Now just fight buttercups in the spring and foxtail late summer. 2-4D wipes out the buttercups. Wish I knew what to do about the foxtail.
I don't worry about it. Foxtail has good feed value and doesn't cost much!
https://www.pubs.ext.vt.edu/418/418-150/418-150.html
Scroll down and check out yellow foxtail's feed value.

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Re: Weed wiper for broomsedge

Post by ClinchValley86 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:42 am

Ive all but got rid of our BS, it was quite the problem 5 years ago. Have unrolled hay on it in winter, run cattle across it tightly in growing season, and allowed the ground to rest 30 to 60 days. The competition of other forage and the cows willingness to eat it when given no other choice has knocked over 90 percent of it out. No lime, no fertilize. Seems like an increase of organic matter helps very much.

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Re: Weed wiper for broomsedge

Post by Bigfoot » Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:08 pm

ClinchValley86 wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:42 am
Ive all but got rid of our BS, it was quite the problem 5 years ago. Have unrolled hay on it in winter, run cattle across it tightly in growing season, and allowed the ground to rest 30 to 60 days. The competition of other forage and the cows willingness to eat it when given no other choice has knocked over 90 percent of it out. No lime, no fertilize. Seems like an increase of organic matter helps very much.
I agree with what everybody has said about controlling it with nutrients/and PH. If I can, through organic matter, foot traffic, and a little glyphosate knock it in the head and let nature replace it with something they devour.........Thats the direction I'm going. Money is the short crop here, and I gotta feed hay either way.
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Re: Weed wiper for broomsedge

Post by shaz » Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:24 pm

kenny thomas wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:02 am
Bigfoot wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:37 am
kenny thomas wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:16 am
Unrolling hay added some needed fertilizer. Soil test and apply to recommendation and you will never have it again. It is an indicator of low phosphorus soil.
I got some bizarre situation going where lime and fertilizer just make grow taller and thicker. Pretty decent stand of crabgrass under that broomsedge canopy. I’m hoping this’ll knock it.
I promise you that if you soil test phosphorus will be lacking or the PH is off so much that the fertilizer isn't working. Also it normally grows in areas where the other grass is thin. Again a soil test can explain why it's thin also
I'll bet some chicken litter would help too.
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Re: Weed wiper for broomsedge

Post by 504RP » Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:01 pm

Around here the price of litter has gotten price wise to where it cost more than commerical fertilizers. Only about 160 lbs out of a ton of litter is NPK. the other 1840 lbs is an assortment of nutrients that might help a little to change the PH of the soil. But not enough to help the problem with brooms edge that much if any.

If i was a polutry farmer i would definitely put it on my pastures for two reasons. One polutry farmers has to get rid of it someway. And two it is free fertilizer for the farmer. I can't say for sure. But i don't think no matter how much litter you put on a field full of brooms edge. It won't ever change the PH of that field enough that it will do away with brooms edge.

Here in my location and i am not the only one here who thinks along these lines. As high as litter is the only reason you will see me putting it out over commercial fertlizer would be because it was given to me and then i am not sure i would want it. If it was a year where rain was in short demand. And i needed to get a maximum yeild off of that field. I would want to use commercial fertlizer so that i would know for sure how many lbs to the acre i put out. You won't know that with litter unless you had it tested and even then it will vary from load to load. Not to mention the rocks that ocassionly shows up in the field due to the loader operator getting a litte deep during clean out.

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