Hayfield Grass ID

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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Post by Texasmark » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:46 am

sim.-ang.king wrote:
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:
sim.-ang.king wrote:Now that I look at on my computer, it actually looks more like Foxtail, with those purple blotches, let it head out and find out.

Also FYI 2-4d will kill crabgrass, and is quite effective against it at higher rates.


That's interesting. Why would it be effective on a "grass" type plant? Not arguing - wanting to learn because that is totally opposite from what I "knew". It is safe to use around corn because it is considered a grass.

2-4d won't kill most grass, but it does affect all plants. It can kill young grass sprouts, and can de-flower grasses while in bloom, and even kill some grasses. Crabgrass and nutsedge are the least resistant grasses to 2-4d. Spraying 2 pints of 2-4d, or 1 pint dicamba, sprayed on crabgrass before it matures, or before tillering works better, will kill most varieties of crabgrass. Some varieties are more resistant to it than others. It's a common miss conception that 2-4d doesn't not harm all grasses in any way. Being resistant to a herbicide does not mean that the herbicide doesn't affect the plant still. Even round-up can kill round-up beans, or set them back, if sprayed at the wrong time, or at a high rate.


Last time I read up on 24D was that it doesn't attack plants with parallel leaf structures.....aka grasses. The leaf structure on noxious weeds are sort-of rounded. Nutsedge has it's dedicated eradicant. Not sure as to the chemistry, but I buy OTC listed a Trimec chemical I believe is the brand with Nutsedge right on the label......available at a local farm store.



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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Post by Texasmark » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:52 am

BobbyLummus1 wrote:I too have this in one pasture . 75% this and 25% fescue . Spray 2-4D evry year . My neighbor thinks its bahia . Im know nothing about bahia . Whatever it is its def a summer grass


Bahia is primarily a shoot producing plant with foliage remaining close to the ground, early stem shoots with V off shoots at the tip lined with seed pods.....that's the clue, the V. Easily started and self maintaining, works well for ground cover under the worst of conditions. On a trip out through W. Tx. it was everywhere, especially on the side of the road (like Johnson grass here). It's getting a foothold in my place and I don't see it as a threat. Sorta like common Bermuda. Mow your lawn one day and the next day or so up come the stems with the seed pods. Some bale it for hay. I don't see it as a volume hay producer.

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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Post by greybeard » Mon Jul 09, 2018 3:19 pm

I don't see it as a volume hay producer.

if you get plenty of rain and put a little fertilize on it, plain ol bahia makes good hay, and is almost on par with some of the other Texas forages tho certainly not as good as Tifton or coastal. .

http://soiltesting.tamu.edu/publications/E-273.pdf

You have to keep it grazed or cut back pretty often.
Bahiagrass (Paspalum notatum) is established from
seed. The grass is very tolerant of low-fertility, acid
soils, but does respond to nitrogen and potassium. It
is best used for grazing rather than hay production.
Once bahiagrass grows 10 to 12 inches tall, it produces
little new growth and loses nutritive value the longer it
stands. It is necessary, therefore, to harvest every 30 to
35 days to maintain forage nutritive value

I'm sure the test results from the above TAMU web page are under better than average conditions but there's nothing wrong with bahia. Stocking rate is probably the most essential part of grazing it.

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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Post by Caustic Burno » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:37 pm

Nine out of ten hayfields here are Bahia. Love it or hate it better learn to embrace it in this neck of the woods.
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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Post by JMJ Farms » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:28 pm

Caustic Burno wrote:Nine out of ten hayfields here are Bahia. Love it or hate it better learn to embrace it in this neck of the woods.
Doesn’t matter what you want you will have Bahia.


I’m baling a field of Bahia right now. Fellow give it to me to cut it. I used to bale around 100 acres every year. With average rainfall it would yield 6-7 rolls/ac/year. My Bermuda would avg 12 rolls/ac/year. If Bahia has the seed heads in the hay when cut then it’s excellent hay. The color won’t be pretty after it’s baled but the cows don’t mind.

If you have a Bermuda hayfield and want to eliminate the Bahia, Metcel or Escort works good. Only around $2-$3/ac. Cimmaron works just as good but it costs around $6/ac.
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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Post by BobbyLummus1 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:24 pm

after the bahia read here , i believe im going to seed some now . Wow local coop wants $190 for 40lb bag ! neighbor suggest 10 lb per acre and itll spread . Im going to seed fescue in the fall . this is on bare cleared ground . Will bahia and fescue work well together ?

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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Post by JMJ Farms » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:32 pm

BobbyLummus1 wrote:after the bahia read here , i believe im going to seed some now . Wow local coop wants $190 for 40lb bag ! neighbor suggest 10 lb per acre and itll spread . Im going to seed fescue in the fall . this is on bare cleared ground . Will bahia and fescue work well together ?


If you’ve got a neighbor with a headed out Bahia field you can fabricate a collection box on the front of a truck, Jeep, utv or whatever you’ve got and run through the field. Mount the box so that the top is lower than most seed heads. When the grass hits the box the seeds will come loose and fall in the box. Free seed. Doesn’t take long either. Roadside ditches will work too.
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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Post by BRYANT » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:40 pm

Texasmark wrote:
BRYANT wrote:what does dallisgrass look like


I guarantee you that no way is this Dallis. First off Dallis is a clump grass. Second the stems with seed pods emanate long before there is much leaf....with this much leaf, you would be blinded by the stems and seed pods.

The seed pods are different, all the seeds are jammed together on a side stem of the main stems (note plural on stems) and they have a black gooey underside whereby the individual round, tightly packet (on the stem) seeds easily separate onto the host object. This allows them to be transported to a new location and deposited to start a new Dallis clump grass colony.

I did not say it was, just ask what it looks like. someone posted a pic. of Dallisgrass and it does not look like it
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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Post by Texasmark » Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:53 am

JMJ Farms wrote:
Caustic Burno wrote:Nine out of ten hayfields here are Bahia. Love it or hate it better learn to embrace it in this neck of the woods.
Doesn’t matter what you want you will have Bahia.


I’m baling a field of Bahia right now. Fellow give it to me to cut it. I used to bale around 100 acres every year. With average rainfall it would yield 6-7 rolls/ac/year. My Bermuda would avg 12 rolls/ac/year. If Bahia has the seed heads in the hay when cut then it’s excellent hay. The color won’t be pretty after it’s baled but the cows don’t mind.

If you have a Bermuda hayfield and want to eliminate the Bahia, Metcel or Escort works good. Only around $2-$3/ac. Cimmaron works just as good but it costs around $6/ac.


"My Bermuda would avg 12 rolls/ac/year." Which Bermuda do you have J? Coastal, Tifton 85, other?

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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Post by Texasmark » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:03 am

greybeard wrote:
I don't see it as a volume hay producer.

if you get plenty of rain and put a little fertilize on it, plain ol bahia makes good hay, and is almost on par with some of the other Texas forages tho certainly not as good as Tifton or coastal. .

http://soiltesting.tamu.edu/publications/E-273.pdf

You have to keep it grazed or cut back pretty often.
Bahiagrass (Paspalum notatum) is established from
seed. The grass is very tolerant of low-fertility, acid
soils, but does respond to nitrogen and potassium. It
is best used for grazing rather than hay production.
Once bahiagrass grows 10 to 12 inches tall, it produces
little new growth and loses nutritive value the longer it
stands. It is necessary, therefore, to harvest every 30 to
35 days to maintain forage nutritive value

I'm sure the test results from the above TAMU web page are under better than average conditions but there's nothing wrong with bahia. Stocking rate is probably the most essential part of grazing it.

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Thanks for taking the time on this. I noticed the first "ouch" for me: Acid soil preference. I'm Alkaline somewhat. I don't remember how it got going here but I'm trying to get it to grow on some hill sides where nothing else wants to grow. I planted some Tall Fescue in that area and it's trying but needs more TLC. Right now the ground here is cracked wide open, looks like a road map with crevasses you can put your fist in and can't see the bottom.

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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Post by Caustic Burno » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:38 am

Texasmark wrote:
JMJ Farms wrote:
Caustic Burno wrote:Nine out of ten hayfields here are Bahia. Love it or hate it better learn to embrace it in this neck of the woods.
Doesn’t matter what you want you will have Bahia.


I’m baling a field of Bahia right now. Fellow give it to me to cut it. I used to bale around 100 acres every year. With average rainfall it would yield 6-7 rolls/ac/year. My Bermuda would avg 12 rolls/ac/year. If Bahia has the seed heads in the hay when cut then it’s excellent hay. The color won’t be pretty after it’s baled but the cows don’t mind.

If you have a Bermuda hayfield and want to eliminate the Bahia, Metcel or Escort works good. Only around $2-$3/ac. Cimmaron works just as good but it costs around $6/ac.


"My Bermuda would avg 12 rolls/ac/year." Which Bermuda do you have J? Coastal, Tifton 85, other?



My Bahia hayfield avengers more than 12 rolls to the acre a year.
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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Post by JMJ Farms » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:44 am

Texasmark wrote:
JMJ Farms wrote:
Caustic Burno wrote:Nine out of ten hayfields here are Bahia. Love it or hate it better learn to embrace it in this neck of the woods.
Doesn’t matter what you want you will have Bahia.


I’m baling a field of Bahia right now. Fellow give it to me to cut it. I used to bale around 100 acres every year. With average rainfall it would yield 6-7 rolls/ac/year. My Bermuda would avg 12 rolls/ac/year. If Bahia has the seed heads in the hay when cut then it’s excellent hay. The color won’t be pretty after it’s baled but the cows don’t mind.

If you have a Bermuda hayfield and want to eliminate the Bahia, Metcel or Escort works good. Only around $2-$3/ac. Cimmaron works just as good but it costs around $6/ac.


"My Bermuda would avg 12 rolls/ac/year." Which Bermuda do you have J? Coastal, Tifton 85, other?


Mostly Alicia. There’s some coastal mixed in with it. If I had my choice I would rather have Russell where I live but I don’t own my hayfields. They’re all rented. Tift 85 is awesome. Had a neighbor sprig some. But it was fairly hard to establish, even with pivots. Took him till the 3rd year to get a decent cutting. But this was probably more related to other factors than the type of grass.
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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

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Caustic Burno wrote:
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I’m baling a field of Bahia right now. Fellow give it to me to cut it. I used to bale around 100 acres every year. With average rainfall it would yield 6-7 rolls/ac/year. My Bermuda would avg 12 rolls/ac/year. If Bahia has the seed heads in the hay when cut then it’s excellent hay. The color won’t be pretty after it’s baled but the cows don’t mind.

If you have a Bermuda hayfield and want to eliminate the Bahia, Metcel or Escort works good. Only around $2-$3/ac. Cimmaron works just as good but it costs around $6/ac.


"My Bermuda would avg 12 rolls/ac/year." Which Bermuda do you have J? Coastal, Tifton 85, other?



My Bahia hayfield avengers more than 12 rolls to the acre a year.


CB, the Bahia I cut is what I call common Bahia. Not sure if that’s the right name. I have a 17 acre pasture that is Pensacola. I fertilize it lightly each year and I can see how with proper management, fertilizer, and good rainfall it would do as good as the Bermuda. That stuff really puts out some forage.
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Re: Hayfield Grass ID

Post by Caustic Burno » Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:52 am

My coastal field fertilized will easily produce 24 to 30 rolls per acre/year.
My Hay guy is going to bail it the next week or so when we get a break in the rain. I will try to get pictures.
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Post by JMJ Farms » Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:10 am

Caustic Burno wrote:My coastal field fertilized will easily produce 24 to 30 rolls per acre/year.
My Hay guy is going to bail it the next week or so when we get a break in the rain. I will try to get pictures.


I have to fertilize heavily to get good quality and quantity. I have one of the best hayfields around my parts. If I fertilize exactly according to soil tests and UGA recommendations AND get good rainfall I can average (4-5) 4x6 rolls per acre across 3 cuttings. That’s as good as it’s getting here. In a perfect world I may get (4) cuttings in one growing season but that has only happened once in the last 7 years and my avg that year was 15 bales/ac/year.
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