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Uhhhhh Johnson grass??

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:40 pm
by skyhightree1
I don't know much about it but my pastures that have no cows are loaded and I've never had it before. I haven't brought in any hay my fields have never had more than a few sprigs this is ridiculous maybe I've always seed banks and this rain 5+ inches a week is bringing bit out.. I hate it.

Re: Uhhhhh Johnson grass??

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:12 pm
by greybeard
You probably always had some and the cows just kept it eaten down...now it's rained so much they can't keep up with it?

I don't know how you can be 100% sure you never had any come in with hay...it don't take many seed heads per bale to get a good stand going.

Re: Uhhhhh Johnson grass??

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:22 pm
by skyhightree1
greybeard wrote:You probably always had some and the cows just kept it eaten down...now it's rained so much they can't keep up with it?

I don't know how you can be 100% sure you never had any come in with hay...it don't take many seed heads per bale to get a good stand going.


Well I say that it doesn't come in with hay because I raise my own and have never had any in hay i cut. That is entirely possible could have some they kept ate down but where did all the seeds for this come from?? I know nothing about the stuff so not being argumentative I am literally lost as to how it came out like this

Re: Uhhhhh Johnson grass??

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:55 pm
by Lazy M
skyhightree1 wrote:I don't know much about it but my pastures that have no cows are loaded and I've never had it before. I haven't brought in any hay my fields have never had more than a few sprigs this is ridiculous maybe I've always seed banks and this rain 5+ inches a week is bringing bit out.. I hate it.

Some guys have all the luck. I love JG, especially in the hayfields.

Re: Uhhhhh Johnson grass??

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:56 pm
by skyhightree1
Lazy M wrote:
skyhightree1 wrote:I don't know much about it but my pastures that have no cows are loaded and I've never had it before. I haven't brought in any hay my fields have never had more than a few sprigs this is ridiculous maybe I've always seed banks and this rain 5+ inches a week is bringing bit out.. I hate it.

Some guys have all the luck. I love JG, especially in the hayfields.


PLEASE COME HELP YOURSELF I HATE IT...

Re: Uhhhhh Johnson grass??

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:14 pm
by skyhightree1
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Re: Uhhhhh Johnson grass??

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:25 pm
by Hereford2
Cut and bale it, cows love it. I've heard if you are in drought conditions and you put the cows on to graze it can be dangerous for cows. ??

Re: Uhhhhh Johnson grass??

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:26 pm
by Hereford2
Johnson Grass will get 7 feet tall if you leave it to grow.

Re: Uhhhhh Johnson grass??

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:36 pm
by skyhightree1
Hereford2 wrote:Cut and bale it, cows love it. I've heard if you are in drought conditions and you put the cows on to graze it can be dangerous for cows. ??


probably going to let them eat it down but pay more attention and kill it next year.

Hereford2 wrote:Johnson Grass will get 7 feet tall if you leave it to grow.


I believe it the stuff looks like baby bamboo shoots.

Re: Uhhhhh Johnson grass??

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:38 pm
by A.J.
it sure can be a pain if you don't want it, and can get away from you in a hurry after a lot of rain like that. I fall on the side of those that like having some johnsongrass. Cows love it, but there's always concern in back of my mind about Prussic acid grazing it and nitrates in the hay. That being said, johnsongrass hay has got our cows and a lot of other cows in our area through many a winter.

Re: Uhhhhh Johnson grass??

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:45 pm
by greybeard
skyhightree1 wrote:probably going to let them eat it down but pay more attention and kill it next year.



It's late this coming fall you will have to watch it Sky, between 1st frost and 1st hard freeze. When it starts to come back from the first frost, is when a danger of nitrates is high....around here anyway. That far North, your 1st frost may be so hard it won't come back.

Re: Uhhhhh Johnson grass??

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:50 pm
by skyhightree1
greybeard wrote:
skyhightree1 wrote:probably going to let them eat it down but pay more attention and kill it next year.



It's late this coming fall you will have to watch it Sky, between 1st frost and 1st hard freeze. When it starts to come back from the first frost, is when a danger of nitrates is high....around here anyway. That far North, your 1st frost may be so hard it won't come back.


Thanks for the tip our frosts normally start october

Re: Uhhhhh Johnson grass??

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:49 am
by M-5
Embrace it. Feed it. Cash the check off of fat cows.

Re: Uhhhhh Johnson grass??

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:56 am
by Texasmark
skyhightree1 wrote:I don't know much about it but my pastures that have no cows are loaded and I've never had it before. I haven't brought in any hay my fields have never had more than a few sprigs this is ridiculous maybe I've always seed banks and this rain 5+ inches a week is bringing bit out.. I hate it.


Put any steel in the ground lately? Seeds (seem to) remain dormant for Eons, buried in the soil. Bring them to the top and walla they sprout. It takes years of cultivation to rid yourself of them.....somewhat.

Don't know what your usage is but I was surfing awhile back and saw a chart of 10 grasses and JG, untended, no fert, cut properly, vs fertilized Coastal were neck and neck on Protein and TDN.....way out front of the rest of the crowd.....that's unfertilized, untended JG. Horses that graze it in mixed, untended pastures here have no problems with it in hay and cows will beat a path to your doorstep for it....no brag just fact. BTDT

Re: Uhhhhh Johnson grass??

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:02 am
by Texasmark
A.J. wrote:it sure can be a pain if you don't want it, and can get away from you in a hurry after a lot of rain like that. I fall on the side of those that like having some johnsongrass. Cows love it, but there's always concern in back of my mind about Prussic acid grazing it and nitrates in the hay. That being said, johnsongrass hay has got our cows and a lot of other cows in our area through many a winter.


I'm an ex city boy been trying to learn how to farm for 40 years. Never have I seen nor heard any of the boys at the coffee shop, that refer to tractors by color, not name, been farming/ranching all their lives, mention anybody having a dead equine or bovine from Prussic Acid poisioning. Lots of animals that free roam, feed lots with pastures for bovine production and all.

Some basic precautions to take if worried, but not that big of a deal for what you get out of it. Plenty of Ag. school published data. If you are worried, Nitrate Poisoning in "foodstuffs" is another problem to think about that can, might, could, is possible, heard of it happening, on and on......but when you read up on it, check out the quantity of N applied to the soil for those mentioning problems. I noted such recently on one of these forums and the amount that caused problems in the article, would put you in the poor house if you applied at that rate.