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Re: free hayground is too expensive

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:43 pm
by 1982vett
I guess you need to do your soil tests at some point after you put out the litter to see what’s going on then make an adjustment.

Re: free hayground is too expensive

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:17 pm
by MtnCows93
jogeephus its a 2 ton spreader truck load per acre and a half. i dont weigh the litter i just guess

Re: free hayground is too expensive

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:19 pm
by MtnCows93
i plan on soil testing next year again to see how its doin good or bad

Re: free hayground is too expensive

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:12 pm
by littletom
MtnCows93 wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:17 pm
jogeephus its a 2 ton spreader truck load per acre and a half. i dont weigh the litter i just guess
Paying by ton or truck load?

Re: free hayground is too expensive

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:03 am
by SDM
JMJ Farms wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:31 pm
Here, I pay $30/ac and generally spend about $400/ac per year on fertilizer. Would cost about $90/ac to put 2 tons/ac of litter. Question. With commercial fertilizer I usually put 3 applications. Usually something like 120/75/120 then 120/0/120 and then 100/0/0. How much litter would I have to put to achieve the same results?
Is that bermudagrass or similar? 340 units of N seems like a lot.

Re: free hayground is too expensive

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:46 am
by M-5
If you dont know what you need then its easy to say Chicken Shyt is cheaper . Applying a standard blend fertilizer can be expensive but if you want to achieve the maximum production your going to have to use a blend tailored to you lands needs.

Litter can help build the soil but is far from being what you need . count your blessing that you don't have land rent on top of the fertilizer bill.

Re: free hayground is too expensive

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:09 am
by MtnCows93
littletom by the truck load. m5 ive been soil testing and mixing ammonuim nitrate, dap and 0-0-60 and its still costing over 100 dollars a year if i put 2/3's of what it calls for on it. all im saying is why wouldnt i rent and save enough money using chicken litter to pay the rent then i can add whats lacking after the litter with commercial. if i rented i could have diecent size fields and it would save me alot of road time. but i am thankful for what free ones ive got

Re: free hayground is too expensive

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:19 am
by M-5
I understand that its hard to justify exactly what a soil test calls for but facts are facts and if your soil need it you have to do what is needed to make sure the soil produces its potential. at a 100 an acre and your said you make squares thats only a 1.00 per bale

Re: free hayground is too expensive

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:39 am
by JMJ Farms
SDM wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:03 am
JMJ Farms wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:31 pm
Here, I pay $30/ac and generally spend about $400/ac per year on fertilizer. Would cost about $90/ac to put 2 tons/ac of litter. Question. With commercial fertilizer I usually put 3 applications. Usually something like 120/75/120 then 120/0/120 and then 100/0/0. How much litter would I have to put to achieve the same results?
Is that bermudagrass or similar? 340 units of N seems like a lot.
Yep. Bermudagrass. Most of it is Alicia. Which is my least favorite. I’d rather have Russell or Coastal. Or even better Tift85. But they are rented fields so I will have to go with what I’ve got. It is a lot of N. But I fertilize as close as possible to soil tests and try to put back what I take out. With decent rainfall I also yield about 6 tons/ac/yr. so just say roughly $420/ac/yr divided by 12 rolls/ac/yr = $35/bale + $20/bale to roll it = $55/bale. Which is high, but it’s also real good hay. Wish I knew another way.

Re: free hayground is too expensive

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:48 am
by SDM
I don't see a lot of planted bermudagrass here, mostly fescue which doesn't need maybe half of that. There is a fair amount of volunteer wiregrass and though.

Re: free hayground is too expensive

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:08 am
by Dave
A ton of 16% protein hay has 51.2 pounds of N in it. A ton of 10% protein has 32 pounds of N. It is pretty easy to calculate how much N is utilized and removed. 2,000 pounds times % of protein divided by 6.25 will give you the answer. There is a little more N used by the plants than will show up in that equation but not very much more.

Re: free hayground is too expensive

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:35 pm
by MtnCows93
also my understanding on spreading nitrogen is your CEC cation exchange capacity X 10 is the amount of nitrogen the ground can absorb at one time. for example your cec is 7, anything more than 70 pounds of nitrogen would be lost. that may be BS but thats what i was going by when i spread ammonium nitrate

Re: free hayground is too expensive

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:24 pm
by Stocker Steve
MtnCows93 why on earth dont i just rent hayland ($30 to $50 an acre) and put chicken litter on it which costs me $40 an acre and makes the grass grow way better [/quote wrote:
Location?
Tradition?
Challenge?

Ain't nothing free when buying in fertility.

Re: free hayground is too expensive

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:27 pm
by Stocker Steve
Dave It is pretty easy to calculate how much N is utilized and removed. 2,000 pounds times % of protein divided by 6.25 will give you the answer. [/quote wrote:
Ya
but
How much N is the soil biology generating?

Re: free hayground is too expensive

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:13 pm
by Dave
Stocker Steve wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:27 pm
Dave It is pretty easy to calculate how much N is utilized and removed. 2,000 pounds times % of protein divided by 6.25 will give you the answer. [/quote wrote:
Ya
but
How much N is the soil biology generating?
Some climates and soils it can be significant. Others it is nothing at all. Some with a history of manure application will have the residual affect of manure slowly breaking down. There is a whole lot of difference that will vary a lot depending on a lot of different circumstances. That calculation just tells you how much N was utilized. Where it came from is a different story.