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Ideas on Strengthening Gates

Post by rla442 » Tue May 28, 2019 9:52 am

Seeing the posting on the gate hinges, I figured I'd start another topic on strengthening gates.

It happens every few years when loading up cattle that I have one or two that destroy a gate in the loading alley or the pen leading into the alley as they try to get back out into the pasture. One of them will just mangle a gate until something breaks or the most recent, the hinge snapped. My gates are the weak point. 10' gates, most are the Tractor Supply heavy duty brand. To get any other supplier for the gates, I'll have to head a couple counties away. Most of the time I'm working the cattle myself without issues and use the gates to sort them into different pens or the alleyway to load them out. I'm just looking for ideas at this point on strengthening the gates in the areas where the cattle are handled. Narrower gates, make gates solid so they cant see through them, ideas on how to reinforce the tubing and hinges, a brand name gate that's truly heavy duty?



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Re: Ideas on Strengthening Gates

Post by M-5 » Tue May 28, 2019 10:14 am

after replacing a few cheap gates it would be worth the drive to get a true bull gate or have some built . I good facility gate should weigh about 130 to 150#
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Re: Ideas on Strengthening Gates

Post by True Grit Farms » Tue May 28, 2019 10:25 am

https://www.agrisupply.com/stock-guard-gate/p/14677/
Find where you can buy these gates and your problems will be few if any. I use 2 behind my chute and haven't tore them up yet. I made double latches to spread the weight out on the gate.
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Re: Ideas on Strengthening Gates

Post by M-5 » Tue May 28, 2019 10:31 am

Built from heavy 16 gauge steel tubing, all
Horizontal tubes are welded completely
Around the joints to the gate frame
Supported on longer gates by vertical "z"
Weight: 151 lbs.
Braces, comes complete with hinges, bolt hooks, and latch chain
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Re: Ideas on Strengthening Gates

Post by bird dog » Tue May 28, 2019 9:26 pm

If there is a handrail fab shop close by, have them bend what you want. Mine are made to fit 1 1/4" schedule 10 pipe.

I have them bend one piece that makes the top and the two sides. I then have them cope two piece of pipe for cross bars. One goes at the bottom and one around the middle. I then weld a 50" wire cattle panel to it. The gate is about 51 1/4" top to bottom.

The welded wire gives the gates strength by acting like the cords in a truss and calves can't stock their heads through the bars.

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Re: Ideas on Strengthening Gates

Post by DCA farm » Wed May 29, 2019 8:12 am

I built mine out of 2x6 frames and cattle panels braced them with 2x4s. All held together with bolts The hinges I got some 1&1/2 steel tubing and bolted it to the frame.

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Re: Ideas on Strengthening Gates

Post by callmefence » Wed May 29, 2019 9:07 am

bird dog wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 9:26 pm
If there is a handrail fab shop close by, have them bend what you want. Mine are made to fit 1 1/4" schedule 10 pipe.

I have them bend one piece that makes the top and the two sides. I then have them cope two piece of pipe for cross bars. One goes at the bottom and one around the middle. I then weld a 50" wire cattle panel to it. The gate is about 51 1/4" top to bottom.

The welded wire gives the gates strength by acting like the cords in a truss and calves can't stock their heads through the bars.
Spot on right here.
We build gates for oens out of anything from 15/8 to 23/8 ss40. We these very heavy gates you generally want to use a header as well as very well set post.
Also very true that a cattle panel adds strength against sagging when welded to gate frame. My only dislike of panels in pens, is if you use squares small enough a hoof can't go through, then I can't get my foot in should I need to clammer out in a hurry.
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Re: Ideas on Strengthening Gates

Post by backhoeboogie » Wed May 29, 2019 11:20 am

Add me to the list of panel reinforcement support.

2 inch tube steel outside frames. 1 1/2 inch works too. I usually use what ever I have available for verticals in the intermediate positions. Angle, or scrap pipe, or anything will do. Weld 4 inch grid utility panel onto the gate when I am done. I pre stress the gate about 2 1/2 inches before I weld the panel on to it. Seems that is about how much I bow them when I start putting the heat onto the face.
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Re: Ideas on Strengthening Gates

Post by ChrisB » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:18 pm

A simple thing you can try is just cutting a cattle panel to length and having it stick up another foot or so above the existing gate. For me, the cows will try going over the top of the gate to get away, with the panel adding extra height they might not try jumping over. I did this as a temporary fix going into our tub and haven't had a cow challenge that gate in probably 15 years. But in another spot we actually welded on another foot to a gate and made it really stout, 2 years later there is a bend where one tried going over or through, so it doesn't always work.

We ended up making a couple gates that are really heavy duty and tall, tough to buy anything that will hold up in a crowding area.

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Re: Ideas on Strengthening Gates

Post by rla442 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:23 pm

Thanks for all the suggestions. Do any of you beef up the hinges. The last steer that went crazy ended up going through two of the gates. Put his head down low on the gate and ended up twisting the top hinge strap around on the one gate and the other he sheared off the top pin the gate hinge slides onto. I had a bull do that once too. They always seem to go low on the gates versus over them.

This steer is nuts. Tried to separate him from the rest of the herd to send to the butcher but he's flat out nuts. Runs around high headed and nervous. I might have no choice but to waiting until winter and butcher him myself.

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Re: Ideas on Strengthening Gates

Post by kerley » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:00 pm

After hanging my gates,I always add a chain on the lower and highest rail to the hinged post, if they bust the hinge hopefully the chain will hold the gate in place.

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Re: Ideas on Strengthening Gates

Post by Dave » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:48 am

I prefer the Powder River Classic gates. Several times I have had 1,000 pound heifers suspended on top of the gate. If she made it over or fell back into the alley or pen the gate remains the same. In some pressure points I have hung a product called dryer felt from pulp mills on the gate. It looks like canvas but has fine metal woven into it. Lasts forever. Makes the gate look solid. I always hang it on the opposite side where I think I might need to climb.

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Re: Ideas on Strengthening Gates

Post by Hippie Rancher » Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:44 pm

use 2 x 6 lumber AT A MINIMUM, 2 x 8 or even 10 inch boards are better for crowding situations. don't spare the hardware either. oh wait, nobody builds wood gates any more do they? :hide:

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Re: Ideas on Strengthening Gates

Post by Hippie Rancher » Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:46 pm

DCA farm wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 8:12 am
I built mine out of 2x6 frames and cattle panels braced them with 2x4s. All held together with bolts The hinges I got some 1&1/2 steel tubing and bolted it to the frame.
sounds interesting, can you please post a picture? :tiphat:

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Re: Ideas on Strengthening Gates

Post by ccr » Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:50 pm

Hippie Rancher wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:44 pm
use 2 x 6 lumber AT A MINIMUM, 2 x 8 or even 10 inch boards are better for crowding situations. don't spare the hardware either. oh wait, nobody builds wood gates any more do they? :hide:
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