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White on Angus

Postby Air gator » Fri May 18, 2018 10:12 pm

A few times I have seen folks give a heads up about Angus bulls that produce purebred calves with white...not exactly sure if that is just white hair, white udders and/or white skin. I think there was a post about Gar Sleep Easy throwing white and there was a post about Gar Prophet producing white. How common is it for an Angus bull to produce enough white to a point the calf is not eligible to be registered? Has anyone had that problem? I think it is common to see Angus cows with some white on their udders...I think I have seen this on some bull's ads. So I get this straight...it's OK to have white hair and some white on the udder but you can't have a white spot on the body where you can see it...
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Re: White on Angus

Postby jscunn » Fri May 18, 2018 10:47 pm

To be registerable the calf cannot have white on the underline 1 inch in front of the pizzle or any where on its body above the underline..

unless...

it is a birthmark. (Birthmarks will be white hair on black skin not pale skin)
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Re: White on Angus

Postby Son of Butch » Sat May 19, 2018 1:49 am

I think pizzle is officially spelled navel. :)
White on udders is not uncommon, white in front of navel is uncommon on purebred black angus,
but is fairly common on angus crossbreds.
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Re: White on Angus

Postby crimsoncrazy » Sat May 19, 2018 2:54 am

In the last GAR sale they were selling quite a few bulls as not registered i'm assuming from too much white.
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Re: White on Angus

Postby Air gator » Sat May 19, 2018 7:37 am

Butch,
Thank you for the translation!

Crimson,
I missed that connection. I don't look at their catalog very often.
So, it happens more often than I would have thought.

I guess the rule on the color was because of 'breeding up' to purebreds instead of only registering fullbloods.
Thanks for the info. It would be pretty disappointing to have a really nice calf with too much white.
I guess they could convert and become a Simmental?
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Re: White on Angus

Postby Ebenezer » Sat May 19, 2018 12:53 pm

That's why they make black shoe polish! :-)
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Re: White on Angus

Postby Son of Butch » Sat May 19, 2018 2:46 pm

Nope, according to my google search, black shoe polish was started exclusively for British military use for their
soldiers boots in 1795 and was not well known as a purchasable product prior to 1906. :)
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Re: White on Angus

Postby Chocolate Cow2 » Sat May 19, 2018 4:04 pm

Ebenezer-a hot branding iron applied to the offending white burns it off and instantly makes the calf registry eligible.

The things we learn as the years pile up :-)

Saw this done at a seedstock outfit at their spring branding before going to grass.
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Re: White on Angus

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sat May 19, 2018 4:36 pm

"I guess the rule on the color was because of 'breeding up' to purebreds instead of only registering fullbloods."
FYI - there is NO "breeding up" in the Angus breed. Not sure if you were joking?? Simmental can be upgraded, but must be Simmental genetics.
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Re: White on Angus

Postby skeeter swatter » Sun May 20, 2018 12:03 am

Excessive white plus horns reminds me of my schaff bulls experience.
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Re: White on Angus

Postby farmguy » Sun May 20, 2018 6:47 am

Many years ago when the push was suddenly for large cattle such as Simmental we had a neighbor who had a Holstein dairy herd and as path to retirement had a herd of registered Black Angus. He sold registered Angus bulls. I was just a young man then but I remember that his Angus cows started to have white on their bellies and udders. After the dairy cows were gone he had a retirement auction. I went with a friend who wanted to buy an Angus bull and this friend wanted the old style beef bull. I remember him saying that the bulls looked like Holsteins. Make of this story what you will but those cattle were registered and went on as breeding stock. farmguy
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Re: White on Angus

Postby rain dance » Sun May 20, 2018 6:51 am

Have been told white on the udder and underbelly comes from Angus breeders crossing with Holsteins way back.
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Re: White on Angus

Postby Ebenezer » Sun May 20, 2018 7:01 am

rain dance wrote:Have been told white on the udder and underbelly comes from Angus breeders crossing with Holsteins way back.

Was a widely used sire and semen is still out there from him. It was accidental. Probably more than one from the looks of Angus in the 70's which were on purpose. Angus have always had white in them. Just want the right amount in the right places. I'd rather have a little white than bad feet and legs, hard doing or bad attitude.
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Re: White on Angus

Postby rain dance » Sun May 20, 2018 7:22 am

If it happened a accident is very unlikely. Angus have always have white? I doubt that. Black is so dominant over the white that a Angus Holstein cross is usually close to solid black if not completely black.
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Re: White on Angus

Postby Chocolate Cow2 » Sun May 20, 2018 12:58 pm

In 2009 I purchased a fairly expensive angus bull from a registered breeder in Gordon, Nebraska. That bull had no white anywhere on him but if he was mated to a cow with the tiniest bit of white, he took the white to the extreme. I had calves with white socks, complete white underbellies, white on the forehead. I was pretty darn unhappy with that bull and he more surprises in store for me. The white was just the beginning.
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