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Postby ShotgunFreddy » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:05 pm

We have a pure Charolais heifer, about 15 months old, who got in heat for the first time yesterday. Our friends have told us to look for a small bull to throw on her so she won't have problems giving birth. What do y'all think we should do? I wanted to find Charolais bull for her but now it doesn't seem like the best idea in the world. She was about 80lbs when she was born.
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Re: Breeding Advice

Postby Son of Butch » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:20 pm

In heat Sunday July 1st her next heat should be on Sunday July 22nd.
Any chance you could get an A.I. technician to breed her then?
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Postby MtnCows93 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:11 pm

unless that heifer is unusually small any bull you choose should be fine
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Re: Breeding Advice

Postby 5S Cattle » Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:09 pm

Chars usually cycle that late? I have 5 month old braford heifers bulling on each other right now
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:30 am

Can you post a picture? Do you know how much she weighs?
She is quite older for having her first heat. Generally heats are based on weight. She may be small for her age/breed.
I have Simmental, which is generally earlier maturing than Charolais, but they are also Continentals. Probably 95% of my heifers have a 17 to 19 day cycle (usually 18 days on the nose).
AI would be a good choice for you, if you are able to observe her. You can paint her tail head (paint or crayon) or use stick on heat detectors to help you. But, if that will be your choice, you need to line up someone to breed her & find out what they have available to use to breed to her.
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Re: Breeding Advice

Postby True Grit Farms » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:46 am

MtnCows93 wrote:unless that heifer is unusually small any bull you choose should be fine

Wrong answer, that's why there's EPD's in each breed.
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Re: Breeding Advice

Postby Son of Butch » Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:38 pm

5S Cattle wrote:Chars usually cycle that late?

NO, and there is a big difference between 1st heat and 1st Observed heat.
Just because a person is not paying attention or is unskilled in detecting heat does not mean she would not already be
3 months pg if she had been penned with a bull.
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Re: Breeding Advice

Postby MtnCows93 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 3:47 pm

True Grit Farms wrote:
MtnCows93 wrote:unless that heifer is unusually small any bull you choose should be fine

Wrong answer, that's why there's EPD's in each breed.

your right i should have said any breed of GOOD bull, i know theres plenty of big headed high birthweight cow killers out there
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Re: Breeding Advice

Postby Silver » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:07 pm

True Grit Farms wrote:
MtnCows93 wrote:unless that heifer is unusually small any bull you choose should be fine

Wrong answer, that's why there's EPD's in each breed.


I've never even looked at an EPD :dunce:
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Re: Breeding Advice

Postby True Grit Farms » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:25 pm

Silver wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:
MtnCows93 wrote:unless that heifer is unusually small any bull you choose should be fine

Wrong answer, that's why there's EPD's in each breed.


I've never even looked at an EPD :dunce:

You guy's definitely do it different than us in the south. I was gone for 5 days a few weeks ago and found 2 dead calves when i got home. I just got home yesterday and found 3 new borns. I need bulls with good calving EPD's.
I just put the EPD calving thing out there because there's folks that read things and think it's gospel.
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Re: Breeding Advice

Postby Silver » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:43 pm

True Grit Farms wrote:
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True Grit Farms wrote:Wrong answer, that's why there's EPD's in each breed.


I've never even looked at an EPD :dunce:

You guy's definitely do it different than us in the south. I was gone for 5 days a few weeks ago and found 2 dead calves when i got home. I just got home yesterday and found 3 new borns. I need bulls with good calving EPD's.
I just put the EPD calving thing out there because there's folks that read things and think it's gospel.


Oh there's lots of folks up here that live and die by the EPD, lots of folks AI so it becomes rather necessary in that case I think. It's a fine tool I'm sure, if it works for folks to use it then how could it be wrong?
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Re: Breeding Advice

Postby True Grit Farms » Sat Jul 07, 2018 5:32 pm

Silver wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:
Silver wrote:
I've never even looked at an EPD :dunce:

You guy's definitely do it different than us in the south. I was gone for 5 days a few weeks ago and found 2 dead calves when i got home. I just got home yesterday and found 3 new borns. I need bulls with good calving EPD's.
I just put the EPD calving thing out there because there's folks that read things and think it's gospel.


Oh there's lots of folks up here that live and die by the EPD, lots of folks AI so it becomes rather necessary in that case I think. It's a fine tool I'm sure, if it works for folks to use it then how could it be wrong?

When you add people and money, you add problems.
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Re: Breeding Advice

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:26 pm

Too many people rely too heavily on EPD's. They forget - they are a TOOL - not gospel.
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Re: Breeding Advice

Postby TCRanch » Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:29 pm

My heifers are pelvic measured and bred to a low birthweight calving ease bull. But that's no guarantee! Also depends on their nutrition, lineage, age, weight, time of year, whether it's a bull calf, etc. And there's always one that throws a whopper; some of 'em just grow big calves. That said, the majority of my heifers calve just fine and why would I risk such an investment without thoroughly researching the bull?

To the OP: a small bull doesn't mean calving ease. And while I've never AI'd, if you only have the one heifer I agree that would most likely be your best option.
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:51 pm

We are talking to ourselves. OP has not come back - or has not responded.
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