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First 2018 Calf

Postby Bright Raven » Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:41 am

Hooks Broadway heifer.
Due 8/31/2018
DOB 8/25/2018
Gestation 279 days
Weight 97 pounds
Assisted with chains did not use jack.

I gave the cow 3 hours from onset of labor. Feet and head came when pulling while she pushed. Calf got hung at the hips. I was concerned with over pulling. Calf was breathing fine. I twisted the calf until the hips were vertical. I pulled from that position and the calf came with a firm pull.

Calf has a nice shaped head. All black. Odd. With the chrome on this cow, I expected some white. However, this cow is one of my half bloods so the Angus may be having an influence on the lack of chrome
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Re: First 2018 Calf

Postby True Grit Farms » Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:50 am

A live calf is a good calf. 97 lb and early, we can't handle that non sense here. We've had quite a few baldie calves out of straight Angus bulls this year. I guess it's all in how the genes line up. You better breed that calf to a proven low birth weight bull like Uno Mas or a LBW Angus.
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Re: First 2018 Calf

Postby Bright Raven » Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:57 am

True Grit Farms wrote:A live calf is a good calf. 97 lb and early, we can't handle that non sense here. We've had quite a few baldie calves out of straight Angus bulls this year. I guess it's all in how the genes line up. You better breed that calf to a proven low birth weight bull like Uno Mas or a LBW Angus.


I agree. Vince, I don't plan to use Broadway this winter. I just don't like having to assist cows like this.
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Re: First 2018 Calf

Postby Fire Sweep Ranch » Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:05 am

Nice long face. What was the weight of her first calf? This cow is one you rolled from Spring to fall, correct? You have always had "larger than most" birth weights at your farm, so that weight does not worry me. You know I am not a fan of Uno Mas, but Cowboy Cut is a "sleep at night" calving ease bull you will get some experience with here in the next month.....
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Re: First 2018 Calf

Postby Bright Raven » Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:11 am

Fire Sweep Ranch wrote:Nice long face. What was the weight of her first calf? This cow is one you rolled from Spring to fall, correct? You have always had "larger than most" birth weights at your farm, so that weight does not worry me. You know I am not a fan of Uno Mas, but Cowboy Cut is a "sleep at night" calving ease bull you will get some experience with here in the next month.....


Yes, she was rolled over. Her last calf was an Uno Mas bull. 75 pounds. He was very common and I banded him at about a month old and sold him as a feeder. I have had a couple nice Uno Mas calves - as you know - Reina and Miss Adorable.
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Re: First 2018 Calf

Postby True Grit Farms » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:34 am

Bright Raven wrote:
Fire Sweep Ranch wrote:Nice long face. What was the weight of her first calf? This cow is one you rolled from Spring to fall, correct? You have always had "larger than most" birth weights at your farm, so that weight does not worry me. You know I am not a fan of Uno Mas, but Cowboy Cut is a "sleep at night" calving ease bull you will get some experience with here in the next month.....


Yes, she was rolled over. Her last calf was an Uno Mas bull. 75 pounds. He was very common and I banded him at about a month old and sold him as a feeder. I have had a couple nice Uno Mas calves - as you know - Reina and Miss Adorable.

Uno Mas is supposedly a cow maker. But his offspring has produced some really nice animals with consistent results. Ron, 75 lbs is perfect for a heifer IMO. Go for a home run on her next calf like you did on this one. Sometimes you hit it out other times you strike out. Just remember Broadway is only half of the mating.
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Re: First 2018 Calf

Postby Nesikep » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:45 am

Nice calf.. yeah, BW a little high, but on a cow of her size I'd not have expected a problem.. Good luck with the rest of the season!
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Re: First 2018 Calf

Postby Bright Raven » Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:53 pm

Nesikep wrote:Nice calf.. yeah, BW a little high, but on a cow of her size I'd not have expected a problem.. Good luck with the rest of the season!


Thanks. Got 15 more coming in the next 6 weeks. One cow slipped her pregnancy and I put an embryo in her.

But you are right on! Fire Sweep and I thought this cow is the size and build that would handle a Broadway calf. I bred 2 other big cows to Broadway. Two more due in a couple weeks.

There is also the question if she needed assistance. It was a judgement call. I gave her 3 hours. After 3 hours, I put her in the facility. Presentation was correct. At that point, I put chains on and gave her some help. Got the front out by a combination of her pushing and me pulling. Then the hips locked. I twisted the calf and it unlocked the hips. I said they were vertical when I pulled but in retrospect, probably more diagonal.

Assistance is a judgement call.
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Re: First 2018 Calf

Postby Nesikep » Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:49 pm

I probably help a few that don't need it, especially first timers.. same with getting them nursing.. Once they've got it, then I can stop watching them and going stir crazy, and get on with the rest of my day... and if anything goes wrong later I don't have to second guess myself and wonder if it got colostrum, etc.. I know with certainty.
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Re: First 2018 Calf

Postby JMJ Farms » Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:02 pm

Put em on a diet Ron! Fat cows have more calving issues. Pretend they’re bears and don’t feed em till next spring :deadhorse:

Great looking heifer. Great looking calf. She probably would’ve popped him on out on her own. But I’m guilty as anyone. I usually err on the side of helping to quick. After I see the feet she’s got an hour tops or I’m going in to help. Biggest problem I face is I don’t live on the farm where the cows are. So if I show up to check and ones in labor I don’t usually know how long she’s been in labor and I get kinda antsy. No harm no foul. Hope the rest go smooth for you.
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Re: First 2018 Calf

Postby kentuckyguy » Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:22 pm

Good looking calf and cow.

I really look forward to seeing the rest of your calves. Be sure to post pics.
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Re: First 2018 Calf

Postby TCRanch » Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:32 pm

Bright Raven wrote:
Nesikep wrote:Nice calf.. yeah, BW a little high, but on a cow of her size I'd not have expected a problem.. Good luck with the rest of the season!


Thanks. Got 15 more coming in the next 6 weeks. One cow slipped her pregnancy and I put an embryo in her.

But you are right on! Fire Sweep and I thought this cow is the size and build that would handle a Broadway calf. I bred 2 other big cows to Broadway. Two more due in a couple weeks.

There is also the question if she needed assistance. It was a judgement call. I gave her 3 hours. After 3 hours, I put her in the facility. Presentation was correct. At that point, I put chains on and gave her some help. Got the front out by a combination of her pushing and me pulling. Then the hips locked. I twisted the calf and it unlocked the hips. I said they were vertical when I pulled but in retrospect, probably more diagonal.

Assistance is a judgement call.

Bears repeating. But I'd rather jump in too soon than too late. Good job twisting the calf - just that little bit of help makes a huge difference. And there's no such thing as too much lube in a situation like that. Congrats on your big boy and here's hoping the other 2 Broadway girls do just fine.
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Re: First 2018 Calf

Postby wbvs58 » Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:52 pm

I would be very surprised if it really did need pulling Ron.

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Re: First 2018 Calf

Postby Bright Raven » Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:18 pm

wbvs58 wrote:I would be very surprised if it really did need pulling Ron.

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Yes. Me too. But what do you do? I wish there was a way to know if they need the help.
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Re: First 2018 Calf

Postby JMJ Farms » Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:43 pm

Bright Raven wrote:
wbvs58 wrote:I would be very surprised if it really did need pulling Ron.

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Yes. Me too. But what do you do? I wish there was a way to know if they need the help.


Ron, I’m really disappointed in you. Considering how much time as you've spent with your girls, I would have thought that by now communication skills between y’all would have improved :lol2:
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