Creep Feed - What do you use?

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Postby TexasBred » Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:38 pm

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Stocker Steve wrote:Corn Silage for $25/T

Darn. They charge that much to cut it and haul it to the pit a quarter mile down the road here.


I have to haul it 2.1 miles to get that price. Calves are getting shiny. :cowboy:

They should be. Got another good buy there.
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Postby cowboy43 » Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:13 pm

I weaned 21 heifers, Purina 14% creep is $318 a ton. Why is there such a difference in price with Purina feed across the Country. I am in Central Texas.
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Postby J&D Cattle » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:12 am

cowboy43 wrote:I weaned 21 heifers, Purina 14% creep is $318 a ton. Why is there such a difference in price with Purina feed across the Country. I am in Central Texas.


Lot's of variation in what's available across the country as well. I weaned using their Purina Stresscare 5 product and their Avila 4 mineral tubs for 21 days. I switched to a mill mixed feed to lessen the cost after day 21 though.
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Re: Creep Feed - What do you use?

Postby TexasBred » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:05 pm

cowboy43 wrote:I weaned 21 heifers, Purina 14% creep is $318 a ton. Why is there such a difference in price with Purina feed across the Country. I am in Central Texas.

Good question. Location would be one thing. How far the mill has to have commodities shipped, freight from mill to store, what the market can stand. Sometimes there is just no rhyme nor reason for it but all brands will be close in pricing (price fixing maybe?? :shock: :shock: :shock: ) :lol2:
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Re: Creep Feed - What do you use?

Postby Hogtiming » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:52 pm

I just creep. 1/3 ddg 1/3 corn 1/3 soy hulls. It has been an ok feed
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Postby shaz » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:52 am

Hogtiming wrote:I just creep. 1/3 ddg 1/3 corn 1/3 soy hulls. It has been an ok feed


Are you using a limiter?
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Re: Creep Feed - What do you use?

Postby Hogtiming » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:11 pm

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Hogtiming wrote:I just creep. 1/3 ddg 1/3 corn 1/3 soy hulls. It has been an ok feed


Are you using a limiter?

No im feeding it free choice from 150 pounds until I sell them. I do add bovatec
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:22 pm

Why grind the corn? Whole shell corn works perfect. Yes, you will SEE the corn in their manure, but it's also in there with ground corn - you just don't see it.
Calves actually prefer coarse feed.
Edit: my "pampered" show string get WSC
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Re: Creep Feed - What do you use?

Postby tnwalkingred » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:09 am

I'm fixing to buy some calves to wean and start on feed. Gonna go with the Purina Accuration Stater Feed. Last quote I got on it was $389/ton. They claim they will gain 3.5/lb/day on this feed. I was at the Purina Research station last year and was very impressed with the idea of using a "complete" feed that does not require the feeding of any hay. If they will indeed gain those rates I think it will pencil out. TBD I suppose.
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Postby True Grit Farms » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:53 am

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Why grind the corn? Whole shell corn works perfect. Yes, you will SEE the corn in their manure, but it's also in there with ground corn - you just don't see it.
Calves actually prefer coarse feed.
Edit: my "pampered" show string get WSC

I grind my corn with a 50 - 50 mix of WCS. I'm not going to give up 5 to 10% of total TDN. I personally feel it's greater than that by the time the cows digestive system uses energy to break the whole corn down. I feel there's a considerable difference between whole, cracked and ground corn in energy needed to break corn the corn down. Whole corn works well if the cows have a chance or good teeth to chew it up. When a cow is hustling against other cows to eat as much as possible feeding whole corn is definitely not the way to go.
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Re: Creep Feed - What do you use?

Postby Brute 23 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:03 pm

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SmokinM wrote:$200 a ton- WOW. Low grade crap in a bag is $275 a ton here. Will have to price that at the local dealer, curious how much difference there is. I know I pay close to double that for Accuration creep. Shelled corn here is around $4 a bushel and most won't sell it to you. At $200 a ton I could afford to feed mine.


This is my situation too. Just got a price from my guy on the 14% purina and it was $320 a ton.


Same here. Glad I'm not the only one. I was trying to figure out how he got it that cheap.
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:44 pm

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Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Why grind the corn? Whole shell corn works perfect. Yes, you will SEE the corn in their manure, but it's also in there with ground corn - you just don't see it.
Calves actually prefer coarse feed.
Edit: my "pampered" show string get WSC

I grind my corn with a 50 - 50 mix of WCS. I'm not going to give up 5 to 10% of total TDN. I personally feel it's greater than that by the time the cows digestive system uses energy to break the whole corn down. I feel there's a considerable difference between whole, cracked and ground corn in energy needed to break corn the corn down. Whole corn works well if the cows have a chance or good teeth to chew it up. When a cow is hustling against other cows to eat as much as possible feeding whole corn is definitely not the way to go.
https://www.ag.ndsu.edu/publications/li ... eef-cattle

Yes, I agree with that article. My husband always said there was an 8% efficiency difference between WSC & cracked/processed. If you are grinding your own, then you don't have added cost, but if you are buying, it is not cost effective if it costs you more than 8% for the processing.
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Re: Creep Feed - What do you use?

Postby TexasBred » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:37 pm

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Why grind the corn? Whole shell corn works perfect. Yes, you will SEE the corn in their manure, but it's also in there with ground corn - you just don't see it.
Calves actually prefer coarse feed.
Edit: my "pampered" show string get WSC

I grind my corn with a 50 - 50 mix of WCS. I'm not going to give up 5 to 10% of total TDN. I personally feel it's greater than that by the time the cows digestive system uses energy to break the whole corn down. I feel there's a considerable difference between whole, cracked and ground corn in energy needed to break corn the corn down. Whole corn works well if the cows have a chance or good teeth to chew it up. When a cow is hustling against other cows to eat as much as possible feeding whole corn is definitely not the way to go.
https://www.ag.ndsu.edu/publications/li ... eef-cattle

Yes, I agree with that article. My husband always said there was an 8% efficiency difference between WSC & cracked/processed. If you are grinding your own, then you don't have added cost, but if you are buying, it is not cost effective if it costs you more than 8% for the processing.

There will be an additional 8% to 12% of whole corn pass through the animal completely unscathed by the rumen bugs.
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Postby ez14. » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:53 pm

True Grit Farms wrote:
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Why grind the corn? Whole shell corn works perfect. Yes, you will SEE the corn in their manure, but it's also in there with ground corn - you just don't see it.
Calves actually prefer coarse feed.
Edit: my "pampered" show string get WSC

I grind my corn with a 50 - 50 mix of WCS. I'm not going to give up 5 to 10% of total TDN. I personally feel it's greater than that by the time the cows digestive system uses energy to break the whole corn down. I feel there's a considerable difference between whole, cracked and ground corn in energy needed to break corn the corn down. Whole corn works well if the cows have a chance or good teeth to chew it up. When a cow is hustling against other cows to eat as much as possible feeding whole corn is definitely not the way to go.
https://www.ag.ndsu.edu/publications/li ... eef-cattle
we had our corn get to dry to make high moisture corn this year and we were feeding cracked corn for awhile before we got the fine ground corn from the mill and there was a surprising difference between the two in milk production!

I will try and go back to see exactly how much difference it made in milk production
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Re: Creep Feed - What do you use?

Postby dieselbeef » Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:31 am

kenny thomas wrote:
dieselbeef wrote:citrus pellets

How much are citrus pellets now? Bulk trailer loads.


185/ton
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