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Creep Feed - What do you use?

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:34 pm
by Son of Butch
We are creep feeding Purina Rangeland calf creep 14 B68 medicated (Bovatec) $200 ton
14% protein
1% fat
25% fiber
.80% cal
.40% phos
.50% salt
.70% potassium
zinc sulfate 225 ppm
copper 75 ppm
selenium 1.0 ppm
Vitamin A 10,000 iu/lb
Vitamin D 1,000 iu
Vitamin E 10 iu

Price $200 ton (10 cents lb)
I was thinking of extending it with my own ground shell corn $2.80 bushel (5 cents lb)
Purina Nutritionist says don't do it, corn will add too much energy and the calves will get too fat too early.
We feed out the calves ourselves. Pasture grass is pretty much done here, free choice hay with their dams.
What do you think?

What do you feed?
What does it cost?

Any comments appreciated.

Re: Creep Feed - What do you use?

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:20 pm
by RanchMan90
$200 a ton for a 16% commodity mix here. Your feed looks a little more complete.

Re: Creep Feed - What do you use?

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:24 pm
by Till-Hill
Son of Butch wrote:We are creep feeding Purina Rangeland calf creep 14 B68 medicated (Bovatec) $200 ton
14% protein
1% fat
25% fiber
.80% cal
.40% phos
.50% salt
.70% potassium
zinc sulfate 225 ppm
copper 75 ppm
selenium 1.0 ppm
Vitamin A 10,000 iu/lb
Vitamin D 1,000 iu
Vitamin E 10 iu

Price $200 ton (10 cents lb)
I was thinking of extending it with my own ground shell corn $2.80 bushel (5 cents lb)
Purina Nutritionist says don't do it, corn will add too much energy and the calves will get too fat too early.
We feed out the calves ourselves. Pasture grass is pretty much done here, free choice hay with their dams.
What do you think?

What do you feed?
What does it cost?

Any comments appreciated.
how much are oats up there? I got some for $2/but. 2 ton mix I put 800# ddg, 120 bp balancer from Purina and rest 50/50 corn/oats. I don't know why you couldn't add corn and some ddg or corn gluten pellets to the range pellet. It's a grand feed. Used it for years. Just been trying use more of our own feed or not been creeping at all

Re: Creep Feed - What do you use?

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:14 pm
by Son of Butch
I grow corn (but not oats) and would like to feed what I grow.
It would be easy for me to grind the shell corn and mix it with the Purina Rangeland pellet for the calves.

I think the Purina nutritionist's hidden reason for saying don't do it, is that I would be buying less feed from them.

Re: Creep Feed - What do you use?

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:32 am
by dieselbeef
citrus pellets

Re: Creep Feed - What do you use?

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:26 pm
by angus9259
If I was going to fatten the calves on my own farm, I'd use the corn. I don't understand the objection - unless some are going to be retained.

But my favorite creep is oats because I retain.

Re: Creep Feed - What do you use?

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:32 pm
by angus9259
Is that a bulk price or do you buy in bags?

Re: Creep Feed - What do you use?

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:19 pm
by 5S Cattle
angus9259 wrote:If I was going to fatten the calves on my own farm, I'd use the corn. I don't understand the objection - unless some are going to be retained.

But my favorite creep is oats because I retain.

Just oats?

Re: Creep Feed - What do you use?

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:55 pm
by kenny thomas
dieselbeef wrote:citrus pellets

How much are citrus pellets now? Bulk trailer loads.

Re: Creep Feed - What do you use?

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:14 pm
by Son of Butch
angus9259 wrote:Is that a bulk price or do you buy in bags?

The Purina Rangeland is bagged and delivered for $200 ton. I feel they give me a lot of service for the price,
so no complaints there.

Re: Creep Feed - What do you use?

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:56 pm
by SmokinM
$200 a ton- WOW. Low grade crap in a bag is $275 a ton here. Will have to price that at the local dealer, curious how much difference there is. I know I pay close to double that for Accuration creep. Shelled corn here is around $4 a bushel and most won't sell it to you. At $200 a ton I could afford to feed mine.

Re: Creep Feed - What do you use?

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:48 am
by angus9259
SmokinM wrote:$200 a ton- WOW. Low grade crap in a bag is $275 a ton here. Will have to price that at the local dealer, curious how much difference there is. I know I pay close to double that for Accuration creep. Shelled corn here is around $4 a bushel and most won't sell it to you. At $200 a ton I could afford to feed mine.


This is my situation too. Just got a price from my guy on the 14% purina and it was $320 a ton.

Re: Creep Feed - What do you use?

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:44 pm
by Stocker Steve
- Raise some cover crop mixes but usually use graze these off in August during the summer slump.
- Raise some oats and start creep feeding with that once pasture gets washy in September. Local oats was $1.50/bu last year and $2/bu this year. Calves look good on it. Feed conversion is ???
- Start using some corn when the weather turns in November. Have tried fence line feeding silage, grazing standing corn, and a oats/corn creep blend. Best approach depends on herd size, sex, and pasture layout.

I think a low cost Artic Vortex approach is to leave calves on the bale grazed cows, and set up a creep gate to supplement calves till the annual January price bounce. The other low cost option is too work on creep grazing of standing feed.

Sex is always a big factor. An optimizer would have different feeding approaches for heifers and steers. :idea:

Re: Creep Feed - What do you use?

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:37 pm
by gizmom
grass

gizmom

Re: Creep Feed - What do you use?

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:07 am
by angus9259
5S Cattle wrote:
angus9259 wrote:If I was going to fatten the calves on my own farm, I'd use the corn. I don't understand the objection - unless some are going to be retained.

But my favorite creep is oats because I retain.

Just oats?


Works great - when they're cheap. I wouldn't do anything except I fall calve in a northern climate so my calves are nursing in January in the snow.