Hoard's Dairyman - 88th Judging Contest

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Hoard's Dairyman - 88th Judging Contest

Post by Son of Butch » Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:04 am

The January 10th issue has the 1st of 5 classes on the cover for their 88th Dairy Cow Judging Contest.
4 Brown Swiss cows each so good any dairyman would be proud to own any 1 of them.

24 possible placing combinations per class
I've narrowed them to 4 possible ways I think the official judge might place this class and favor 1 answer as correct.
I know 20 cows = 1,048,576 possible placing combinations
BUT breaking 20 cows into 5 subsets of 4 each.... I think = 9,216 total possible combinations in the contest
(I know there's a lot of total combinations, but I also believe my subset math might be wrong)
ANYWAY....

I've never bothered to enter, but I do play along at home and have never come close to winning.
Does anyone else on here follow the Hoard's Dairyman contest?



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Re: Hoard's Dairyman - 88th Judging Contest

Post by ez14. » Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:30 am

Nope I look at it some times but that's it

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Re: Hoard's Dairyman - 88th Judging Contest

Post by Workinonit Farm » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:42 pm

Yeah, unfortunately, every year when the contest issues start coming out, for some "strange" reason, I either don't get a couple of them or they arrive waaayyyyyy late. :(
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Re: Hoard's Dairyman - 88th Judging Contest

Post by Aaron » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:02 pm

I never have, but maybe I will take part this year. It takes a considerable amount of time to break down the strengths and faults in each group and weight them.
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Re: Hoard's Dairyman - 88th Judging Contest

Post by Son of Butch » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:58 pm

Yes it can take considerable time. I had a friend that would go strictly on first impressions. He'd glance at it for
about 10 seconds, look away then do it again. He'd have his placings in under 60 seconds and his scores would be
respectable... not always the winners, but he never busted out a class.

I think it would be more of a learning experience if they used more average quality cows rather than all being
superior examples of each breed. None of them ever have faults that a dairyman couldn't live with and often it
comes down to nit picking "pretty points" that don't translate to the real world.

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Re: Hoard's Dairyman - 88th Judging Contest

Post by Son of Butch » Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:46 pm

Jan 25th issue arrived today 2nd of 5 classes Holsteins 3 black and white 1 red Holstein
Honestly they are so good I cannot see putting any one of them in last place.

All I know for sure is I can't put the Red one last.... as that would be racist.
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Re: Hoard's Dairyman - 88th Judging Contest

Post by Workinonit Farm » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:57 pm

Son of Butch wrote:Jan 25th issue arrived today 2nd of 5 classes Holsteins 3 black and white 1 red Holstein
Honestly they are so good I cannot see putting any one of them in last place.

All I know for sure is I can't put the Red one last.... as that would be racist.
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I got that issue yesterday. I was surprised to see the red & white.

I'm still waiting for the issue with the 1st class. :frowns:
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Re: Hoard's Dairyman - 88th Judging Contest

Post by Aaron » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:47 pm

Times up. What was your placing?

Brown Swiss : CBAD
Holstein : DACB
Guernsey : CBAD
Ayrshire : CBDA
Jersey : BDCA
Supreme: Brown Swiss

I was going to invest more time in it, but got busy. I just took a couple minutes for each group.
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Re: Hoard's Dairyman - 88th Judging Contest

Post by Son of Butch » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:50 am

Brown Swiss CBDA I like the D cow and hurts me not to put her higher
Holstein DCAB
Guernsey CBAD another D cow that I like a lot, udder depth prevents me from placing higher (best producing cow?)

Not sure where my other 2 issues are.... I'll have to find where I left them to finish.

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Re: Hoard's Dairyman - 88th Judging Contest

Post by Son of Butch » Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:05 pm

Son of Butch wrote:Brown Swiss CBDA I like the D cow and hurts me not to put her higher
Holstein DCAB
Guernsey CBAD another D cow that I like a lot, udder depth prevents me from placing higher (best producing cow?)

Not sure where my other 2 issues are.... I'll have to find where I left them to finish.

Jersey DBCA
Haven't found the Ayrshire issue

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Re: Hoard's Dairyman - 88th Judging Contest

Post by Workinonit Farm » Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:54 pm

I only received 2 of those issues. :( This happens every year.
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Re: Hoard's Dairyman - 88th Judging Contest

Post by Son of Butch » Tue May 08, 2018 9:07 pm

Well the judges got them wrong again this year.
13,747 entries from 45 states and judges from 7 countries entered and not 1 person got them right according to the
official placings. The closest was a 17 yr old girl from Vermont who won the junior division.
To the best of my knowledge the official judge of each class judges from the same photos and not in person.

official results
Brown Swiss DBCA
Holstien DCAB
Jersey ACBD
Guernsey BDAC
Ayrshire CDAB
Supreme Champion Ayrshire C
Reserve Supreme Holstein D

My Alternative placings based on each breed's classification score from in person classifier evaluation.
and by production: All cows in each class are from the same herd
Brown Swiss judge's official placing DBCA
by production ADBC
by breed classification scores BACD
B VG 89 24,140 milk 708 lbs protein
A VG 88 26,983 m 901 p
C VG 87 20,677 m 708 p
D VG 86 25,268 m 758 p

Holstein official DCAB
by in person breed classifier BC & D all scored vg 89 cow A vg 87

by Lifetime production BCDA
B 64,305 lbs of milk
C 62,779lbs of milk
D 43,157 lbs of milk
A 24,550 lbs of milk she's the same age as the others, but didn't have her 1st calf until 37 months of age

Guernsey official BDAC
classification scores DACB (93-92-91-87)
by production CDAB

Jersey Official ACBD
classification B 92 the other 3 all scored excellent 90
production ABCD

Ayrshire official CDAB
classification scores C 93 pts B 93 pts A 92 pts D 91
production CDAB
cda all sired by Palmyra Burdette

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Re: Hoard's Dairyman - 88th Judging Contest

Post by Son of Butch » Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:19 am

Hoard's 89th judging contest arrived today. I only looked at cover as I drove from mailbox back to the house, but I feel
confident going with my first glance placings as my study and study placings never work out.... we'll see.

Brown Swiss: DACB

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Re: Hoard's Dairyman - 88th Judging Contest

Post by Son of Butch » Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:35 pm

IMO
Holstein: CDBA
C has the highest and widest rear udder, with the most body depth and spring of rib making her the best balanced cow in the class.
D is longer and more stylish than B and stands on a much better set of feet and legs.
B In the closest of placings I put B over A because of her advantage in front end dairy strength, even though A is
more correct in her feet and legs.
A is a very nice cow, but lacks the front end strength to place higher in this class. :2cents:

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Re: Hoard's Dairyman - 88th Judging Contest

Post by Son of Butch » Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:33 pm

Guernsey: BACD
because they wouldn't do photo lineup of abcd :)

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