Mastitis

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Re: Mastitis

Postby simangus23 » Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:56 pm

Easiest way to do it is get some nurse calves and put like 3 of them on her --- the vet will want you to strip out the infected quarters 8 times a day---but who has time for that-- and nurse calves can do it-- just dont put any replacement heifers on a mastitis infected cow.
Have you done a milk test to find out what "bug" is there?
For instance Staph Aureus which is the worst kind can be eradicated by using 35 cc's of 1% Iodine in 1 liter of Hypertonic Saline Solution with 10 cc's of Lidocaine (Teat Infusion)
Pursue is also very good. If I were you I would look up the Dairy Specialist at Beltsville MD-- he is the best in the US as he has been working on the Mastitis issue for 30 years -- and he has a cure for it

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Re: Mastitis

Postby milkmaid » Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:35 pm

simangus23 wrote:For instance Staph Aureus which is the worst kind can be eradicated by using 35 cc's of 1% Iodine in 1 liter of Hypertonic Saline Solution with 10 cc's of Lidocaine (Teat Infusion)


Eradicated yes, but she'll never milk out of that quarter again.

Chlorhexidine (Nolvasan) and formeldahyde work too with similar results.
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Re: Mastitis

Postby GMN » Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:54 pm

milkmaid wrote:
simangus23 wrote:For instance Staph Aureus which is the worst kind can be eradicated by using 35 cc's of 1% Iodine in 1 liter of Hypertonic Saline Solution with 10 cc's of Lidocaine (Teat Infusion)


Eradicated yes, but she'll never milk out of that quarter again.

Chlorhexidine (Nolvasan) and formeldahyde work too with similar results.


Very well said. Staph Aureus in my opinion is almost impossible to cure, especially in older animals.

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Re: Mastitis

Postby hillsdown » Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:55 pm

GMN wrote:
milkmaid wrote:
simangus23 wrote:For instance Staph Aureus which is the worst kind can be eradicated by using 35 cc's of 1% Iodine in 1 liter of Hypertonic Saline Solution with 10 cc's of Lidocaine (Teat Infusion)


Eradicated yes, but she'll never milk out of that quarter again.

Chlorhexidine (Nolvasan) and formeldahyde work too with similar results.


Very well said. Staph Aureus in my opinion is almost impossible to cure, especially in older animals.

GMN


That's what I have found also GMN and MM;
Never known a cure for staph that is why herds test for staph and the positive ones go down the road.

Extra note: if planning on buying a herd of dairy cows insist on staph testing everything, anything positive you do not want.High SCC and other problems.
Also never buy an milker unless it has been staph tested.

I am sure that Dun can give you all the ins and outs of how staph effects DHI testing.
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Re: Mastitis

Postby TexasBred » Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:33 pm

If ol' "Somatic Sally" comes down with staph she needs to have her head cut off. Her lacation is finished for all practical purposes. Doctoring it is a waste of money not only for meds. but for dumped milk. Leave her alone and every other cow hooked up to the same milker she used gets exposed to the same time bomb. Be careful using iodine as well as I use to use the stronger stuff to kill tits.
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Re: Mastitis

Postby bigbull338 » Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:56 pm

if a cow comes down with staph.theres only 1 cure.an thats cut her head off.because if you keep her youll spread it to the rest of the herd.staph cows are no good.
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Re: Mastitis

Postby milkmaid » Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:53 pm

Are we talking about the same pathogen here? I've seen cows go 2-3 more lactations as a confirmed staph cow (via culture) before too many quarters are infected or milk production gets too low.

I've also tried treating staph cows... 99% won't clear up (results confirmed via culture, not visual observation), but I have had one confirmed staph cow that I treated and she was confirmed clean by culture two or three times several months after coming off antibiotics. The quarter doesn't milk worth talking about nowdays; I think she was succeptible to another pathogen (or perhaps staph again) and she came down with mastitis again about a year ago. Wasn't treated after that as that would have been a waste of money. I haven't cultured it yet; maybe I'll do that next time I'm home.

FYI, a cow doesn't have to have a clinical case of mastitis (abnormal milk) to be a positive staph cow. I've seen positive cows go 3-4 months without showing any signs and being one of the top milkers, but when the milk is frozen and cultured they're positive staph cows with high staph growths on the culture plates.
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Re: Mastitis

Postby bigbull338 » Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:55 am

in my book a staph cow is 1 with a 500,000scc or more .that you cant get to come down to 200,000 or lower.cows like that keep your bulk scc samples high.
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Re: Mastitis

Postby GMN » Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:30 pm

[quote="milkmaid"]Are we talking about the same pathogen here? I've seen cows go 2-3 more lactations as a confirmed staph cow (via culture) before too many quarters are infected or milk production gets too low.Qoute:

Why would you want to take the chance of a positive staph cow, spreading it to other cows, by keeping her in the tank, and milking her for several lactations?

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Re: Mastitis

Postby milkmaid » Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:44 pm

bigbull338 wrote:in my book a staph cow is 1 with a 500,000scc or more .that you cant get to come down to 200,000 or lower.cows like that keep your bulk scc samples high.


That's not neccessarily a staph cow. A cow with a high SCC might have ecoli, or strep, or something entirely different. Or she may not have anything at all... some cows just run higher than others, especially at the start of a lactation. And, I've heard of herds with over 30% infected with staph, and a 200,000 SCC. Boss was running around 180,000 SCC in the fall and had about 26% of the herd as confirmed staph cows. Herds infected with ecoli and other coliforms sometimes run a much higher SCC.

A "staph cow" is one that actually is infected with a pathogen called staph aureus.

GMN... that'd be a long story to explain. :P
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Re: Mastitis

Postby GMN » Sat Feb 02, 2008 3:15 pm

milkmaid wrote:
bigbull338 wrote:in my book a staph cow is 1 with a 500,000scc or more .that you cant get to come down to 200,000 or lower.cows like that keep your bulk scc samples high.


That's not neccessarily a staph cow. A cow with a high SCC might have ecoli, or strep, or something entirely different. Or she may not have anything at all... some cows just run higher than others, especially at the start of a lactation. And, I've heard of herds with over 30% infected with staph, and a 200,000 SCC. Boss was running around 180,000 SCC in the fall and had about 26% of the herd as confirmed staph cows. Herds infected with ecoli and other coliforms sometimes run a much higher SCC.

A "staph cow" is one that actually is infected with a pathogen called staph aureus.
And sometimes the ones that paddle test positive, severely, come back with a cell count real low.

I still say if you have a cow that is confirmed with the bug staph aureus, unless cought real early, and in a younger animal, its not gonna be curable, best bet is to drop the quarter or cull the cow.

GMN

GMN... that'd be a long story to explain. :P
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Re: Mastitis

Postby TexasBred » Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:10 pm

A lot of mastitis is subclinical and can only be caught via culturing or CMT will catch some strains. I've seen individual cows show 10 million SSC on DHIA report and be giving over 100 lbs. per day. Even in a larger herd just a few cows like that can put a big dent in your mailbox milk price. They're just not worth it. Sell'em and let some hobbiest use them to raise babies or something.
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