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How much gun control is needed?

Postby jltrent » Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:25 am

It is going to happen looks like......I agree either the schools need to change policy or some controls happen, but what I don't know. What would actually help is the most important thing? My wife and son are in the local school system and have had threats that have them uneasy. In the past three years they have put cameras everywhere and control the entrance to the school, so effort has already been made.

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Postby Caustic Burno » Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:33 am

jltrent wrote:It is going to happen looks like......I agree either the schools need to change policy or some controls happen, but what I don't know. What would actually help is the most important thing? My wife and son are in the local school system and have had some threats that have them uneasy.



The gun is not the problem but has become the PC issue of the day.
The media says ban assault weapons.
Where does that stop? We assaulted the world with a 1911 pistol and whipped it twice, we assaulted the Indians with a lever action rifle, the British with a muzzle loader.
I see this more as a security issue like Israel does with our schools and mental health.
You still will have those slip through that are willing to die to kill you.
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Re: How much gun control is needed?

Postby Bright Raven » Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:51 am

It has reached Tidal proportions. Sadly, the tragedies are turned into political footballs by both parties. With midterm elections scaring the heII out of Republicans, they are scrambling to throw some kind of gun control on the wall to see if it sticks. Polls are looking bad for midterm republicans. May lose the house or senate.
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Re: How much gun control is needed?

Postby callmefence » Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:54 am

Blaming the gun is the easy thing to do.
You can do more damage with a gallon of gasoline than a ar15.
Generally speaking the easiest way isn't the best way. In this case it's not even close. The right way is to train ,arm, and pay accordingly our school teachers. My mother and grandmother were both teacher's. My mother was a principal. They are taught to protect their students against weather and fire. Well there's a new danger they need to be prepared for. And getting under your desk isn't good enough. There needs to be a gun in every classroom. Guns are the solution not the problem.
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Postby Caustic Burno » Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:17 am

callmefence wrote:Blaming the gun is the easy thing to do.
You can do more damage with a gallon of gasoline than a ar15.
Generally speaking the easiest way isn't the best way. In this case it's not even close. The right way is to train ,arm, and pay accordingly our school teachers. My mother and grandmother were both teacher's. My mother was a principal. They are taught to protect their students against weather and fire. Well there's a new danger they need to be prepared for. And getting under your desk isn't good enough. There needs to be a gun in every classroom. Guns are the solution not the problem.


Your right, the problem is the nut is drawn to the black assault type weapon.
That has become the rallying cry of the media and they have control of what is seen as gospel by the majority.
As gun owners we are the minority now.
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Re: How much gun control is needed?

Postby Son of Butch » Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:43 am

A gun always needs control or there will unintended consequences.
Any fire arms safety class teaches.... always control your weapon.
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Re: How much gun control is needed?

Postby M-5 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:58 am

the next school shooter is already out there . and already has his gun and is only waiting for the trigger. Nothing that can be regulated will stop this . only security and preventive measures will hopefully stop it.
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Re: How much gun control is needed?

Postby bball » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:00 am

At the risk of sounding insensitive, and this is not my intent, but has anyone paused to put the school shootings into perspective? Does anyone realize just exactly what a skewed perspective we are being fed by the media? These shootings get tremendous media coverage and guns are attacked, when 17 or 13 or even 20 school aged children are killed by one of these lunatics. The much harsher reality is that the number of adolescent victims of shootings is a small fraction of the number of adolescents that will die this year due to drug and alcohol use. When you look at the tremendous number of schools in this country and compare that to the very limited number of occurrences of these events, it's amazing really. It is a tragedy and my heart breaks for the children and their families. I have school aged children still. Reality is this: my children have a much higher probability of be killed driving and texting, drug overdose or alcohol related death then being killed by a school mate with a firearm. But the media coverage stirs the emotional response and guns become the focus and becomes the point of contention between 2 ineffective political parties. Take away the assault rifles; then shot guns will be next, or any other means that a kid that wants to hurt someone will use. Ever been in the parking lot when school let's out? A lunatic with a vehicle could hurt a lot of kids very quickly. We, as a whole, have lost sight of reality, and now we reap the consequences...
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Re: How much gun control is needed?

Postby callmefence » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:36 pm

Son of Butch wrote:A gun always needs control or there will unintended consequences.
Any fire arms safety class teaches.... always control your weapon.


I've never heard of a gun losing control.
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Re: How much gun control is needed?

Postby ez14. » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:38 pm

callmefence wrote:
Son of Butch wrote:A gun always needs control or there will unintended consequences.
Any fire arms safety class teaches.... always control your weapon.


I've never heard of a gun losing control.

I think he means the person losing control of the gun. And then having an accident
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Re: How much gun control is needed?

Postby Caustic Burno » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:12 pm

callmefence wrote:
Son of Butch wrote:A gun always needs control or there will unintended consequences.
Any fire arms safety class teaches.... always control your weapon.


I've never heard of a gun losing control.


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Re: How much gun control is needed?

Postby Son of Butch » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:32 pm

Owner/operator is always responsible for care, custody and control of the machine in question, be it a car, chainsaw
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Re: How much gun control is needed?

Postby Ky hills » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:42 pm

bball wrote:At the risk of sounding insensitive, and this is not my intent, but has anyone paused to put the school shootings into perspective? Does anyone realize just exactly what a skewed perspective we are being fed by the media? These shootings get tremendous media coverage and guns are attacked, when 17 or 13 or even 20 school aged children are killed by one of these lunatics. The much harsher reality is that the number of adolescent victims of shootings is a small fraction of the number of adolescents that will die this year due to drug and alcohol use. When you look at the tremendous number of schools in this country and compare that to the very limited number of occurrences of these events, it's amazing really. It is a tragedy and my heart breaks for the children and their families. I have school aged children still. Reality is this: my children have a much higher probability of be killed driving and texting, drug overdose or alcohol related death then being killed by a school mate with a firearm. But the media coverage stirs the emotional response and guns become the focus and becomes the point of contention between 2 ineffective political parties. Take away the assault rifles; then shot guns will be next, or any other means that a kid that wants to hurt someone will use. Ever been in the parking lot when school let's out? A lunatic with a vehicle could hurt a lot of kids very quickly. We, as a whole, have lost sight of reality, and now we reap the consequences...


I am in agreement with you, I see the epidemic level of drugs of all kinds and alcohol along with other factors being larger in number and in dire need of being addressed as well. In my opinion the seemingly random and sporadic incidents by unhinged individuals with guns makes it very scary and unnerving. As society we are quick to place blame on guns, that's easy and takes responsibility off of society. Problem is if guns were heavily controlled or banned people wishing to do harm would adapt. I think you are right as a whole we have lost sight and in my mind it has a lot to do with things in popular culture ie, movies, video games, music, tv shows. It seems to me children are being systematically desensitized to violence and now after a progression spanning several generations, what was "unheard of" years ago is now common place.
At the risk of sounding preachy I think we would all be better off if more emphasis was put on kindness and caring rather than pushing the envelope of violence in the name of the latest and greatest movie or game.
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Re: How much gun control is needed?

Postby Brute 23 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 1:59 pm

There needs to be upgrades to the current system. In most of the cases the shooters slipped thru a crack. They need to fix the cracks not add on more rules that don't work.
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Re: How much gun control is needed?

Postby Ebenezer » Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:08 pm

If we label crazy people as crazy and as folks who should not own guns then we are a mean and bad society with labels and stereotypes. If we allow guards at a school or legal armed citizens at a school we are idiots to allow decent folks to defend themselves but we allow armed guards in concerts, government buildings, banks, museums, ... The problems are creating sitting ducks in gun free zones, no defense and a lack of swift punishment for the offenders. The guns are no more evil than a knife is evil or a rope or a car. The problem is the lack of ability to identify and control problem people and take them out swiftly when they avoid laws and become violent.
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