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Postby Brute 23 » Sat May 19, 2018 9:36 am

The biggest problem I run in to is people trying to work like 5 or 6 hour days. They want to show up at 10 and work until 4 or some goofy deal like that. People have no drive to get out and get moving in the am. I don't expect people to work all day long but I do like them to get started early so if we run in to any problems we can start resolving them as early as possible.
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Re: Hired help, hourly wage?

Postby herofan » Sat May 19, 2018 9:40 am

Brute 23 wrote:I worked on our family rig as young as 12 years old (no hyd tongues)... mowed my first neighbors lawn at 8 for money... we didn't get round bales, a cab tractor, or post hole auger until I was in my teens. My dad was very clear he wanted us to experience that early on so we would not have any romantic notions about it. We all experienced directly and indirectly the toll that life style takes on a person and their family. My dad did not want that for us and made it blatantly clear.

I think people who have experienced true hard work don't romanticize it. Its the people who who kind of ran down the edge that like to hype it up. You see the same thing with war. The guys that really experienced it in the trenches rarely have much to say about it. Those that kind of dipped their toes in tend to tell all the "war stories".

Thats just my .02


Very good post. I have had the same thoughts, but you described it really well. My grandparents on both sides were farmers all their lives, and they experienced some true hard work and hard times during their lives. They always hoped my brother and I could have an easier path.

“Easier” isn’t a dirty word when one had the experiences of working that they had. Heck, who wouldn’t wish their kids could have opportunities to give them a better way than truly breaking your back all your life; there is nothing romantic about it.

I remember work-stories from my grandparents too, but they were usually told in a weary tone and far from bragging.

I remember an old timer once saying that people who say they enjoy work and want to work all Time aren’t working too hard.
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Postby greybeard » Sat May 19, 2018 11:13 pm

I suppose that's one way to put it.
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Postby melking » Sun May 20, 2018 4:33 pm

I started at 21 cents an hour. Working for my dad on construction. I was 12 and I would get 2 dollars a day before taxes. I picked up scraps, carried lumber, fetched all kinds of tools and cords and whatever the crew needed. Worst was nailing sub flooring. When i Got a "real job" In a soda fountain at 1.25 per hour, I thought I had it made.
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Postby herofan » Sun May 20, 2018 5:26 pm

Brute 23 wrote:I think people who have experienced true hard work don't romanticize it. Its the people who who kind of ran down the edge that like to hype it up. You see the same thing with war. The guys that really experienced it in the trenches rarely have much to say about it. Those that kind of dipped their toes in tend to tell all the "war stories".

Thats just my .02


The more I think about your statement, the
more I like it. It’s very true and well worded. I’d like to frame this and put it on my wall.
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Re: Hired help, hourly wage?

Postby Ryder » Mon May 21, 2018 11:52 am

melking wrote:I started at 21 cents an hour. Working for my dad on construction. I was 12 and I would get 2 dollars a day before taxes. I picked up scraps, carried lumber, fetched all kinds of tools and cords and whatever the crew needed. Worst was nailing sub flooring. When i Got a "real job" In a soda fountain at 1.25 per hour, I thought I had it made.

I would guess your "real" job was inside work out of the weather and you enjoyed air conditioning or at least a fan. You had it made for sure.
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Postby melking » Mon May 21, 2018 4:43 pm

Ryder wrote:
melking wrote:I started at 21 cents an hour. Working for my dad on construction. I was 12 and I would get 2 dollars a day before taxes. I picked up scraps, carried lumber, fetched all kinds of tools and cords and whatever the crew needed. Worst was nailing sub flooring. When i Got a "real job" In a soda fountain at 1.25 per hour, I thought I had it made.

I would guess your "real" job was inside work out of the weather and you enjoyed air conditioning or at least a fan. You had it made for sure.


Correct you are Mr. Ryder. The only bad part was that I had to walk to work. It was 10 blocks and I thought it was like a mile.
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Postby TexasBred » Mon May 21, 2018 4:48 pm

Brute 23 wrote:I worked on our family rig as young as 12 years old (no hyd tongues)... mowed my first neighbors lawn at 8 for money... we didn't get round bales, a cab tractor, or post hole auger until I was in my teens. My dad was very clear he wanted us to experience that early on so we would not have any romantic notions about it. We all experienced directly and indirectly the toll that life style takes on a person and their family. My dad did not want that for us and made it blatantly clear.

I think people who have experienced true hard work don't romanticize it. Its the people who who kind of ran down the edge that like to hype it up. You see the same thing with war. The guys that really experienced it in the trenches rarely have much to say about it. Those that kind of dipped their toes in tend to tell all the "war stories".

Thats just my .02



Give that man a hand...…...don't remember my dad ever saying he wanted us to have it better and easier than him or have more than him. Just wanted us to learn to work, be smart about it, have a good attitude and good things would happen. Kinda funny....I always thought we were rich but can remember the first year he came home with his W-2 form and was so thrilled he had grossed $6,000.00 for the first time in his life and raised 5 kids.
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Postby TCRanch » Mon May 21, 2018 6:21 pm

Kind of going back to my initial post, the 16 year old is now 17. He worked for us off/on during the summer & school for $10 an hour. Sweaty, physical labor is clearly not his preference but he's a good kid, does an okay job - and has a father that drove him 10 miles to work when he had a flat tire. Did I ever mention his mom is a Principal? They're trying so hard to instill a good work ethic in him. Anyway, he's pretty much booked for the summer with football camp, life of a soon-to-be-Senior, etc and his time is limited. But there's a guy in town that retired early and works part time at the hardware store currently going out of business. Told me he'd love to help out for any odd job, just to keep him active/sane/motivated. Doesn't really have any ranching/fencing/heavy equipment experience but I would be hesitant (okay, embarrassed) to offer only $10 an hour when I pay a buttload for a professional to come in and get the job done. Thoughts?
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Re: Hired help, hourly wage?

Postby Ryder » Mon May 21, 2018 6:31 pm

If $10 is the best you can do, then tell him it's what you paid before him. If it is the best you can do and if he wants the work you would be glad to have him.
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Postby ddd75 » Mon May 21, 2018 7:01 pm

TCRanch wrote:Kind of going back to my initial post, the 16 year old is now 17. He worked for us off/on during the summer & school for $10 an hour. Sweaty, physical labor is clearly not his preference but he's a good kid, does an okay job - and has a father that drove him 10 miles to work when he had a flat tire. Did I ever mention his mom is a Principal? They're trying so hard to instill a good work ethic in him. Anyway, he's pretty much booked for the summer with football camp, life of a soon-to-be-Senior, etc and his time is limited. But there's a guy in town that retired early and works part time at the hardware store currently going out of business. Told me he'd love to help out for any odd job, just to keep him active/sane/motivated. Doesn't really have any ranching/fencing/heavy equipment experience but I would be hesitant (okay, embarrassed) to offer only $10 an hour when I pay a buttload for a professional to come in and get the job done. Thoughts?


i doubt they are paying him that at the hardware store
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Re: Hired help, hourly wage?

Postby herofan » Mon May 21, 2018 9:15 pm

TexasBred wrote:
Brute 23 wrote:I worked on our family rig as young as 12 years old (no hyd tongues)... mowed my first neighbors lawn at 8 for money... we didn't get round bales, a cab tractor, or post hole auger until I was in my teens. My dad was very clear he wanted us to experience that early on so we would not have any romantic notions about it. We all experienced directly and indirectly the toll that life style takes on a person and their family. My dad did not want that for us and made it blatantly clear.

I think people who have experienced true hard work don't romanticize it. Its the people who who kind of ran down the edge that like to hype it up. You see the same thing with war. The guys that really experienced it in the trenches rarely have much to say about it. Those that kind of dipped their toes in tend to tell all the "war stories".

Thats just my .02


Give that man a hand...…...don't remember my dad ever saying he wanted us to have it better and easier than him or have more than him. Just wanted us to learn to work, be smart about it, have a good attitude and good things would happen. Kinda funny....I always thought we were rich but can remember the first year he came home with his W-2 form and was so thrilled he had grossed $6,000.00 for the first time in his life and raised 5 kids.


I suppose things were good enough for your family that there was no need to wish things were better. If you thought you were rich, I assume thingd weren’t too bad.
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Postby TexasBred » Tue May 22, 2018 10:11 am

herofan wrote:
TexasBred wrote:
Brute 23 wrote:I worked on our family rig as young as 12 years old (no hyd tongues)... mowed my first neighbors lawn at 8 for money... we didn't get round bales, a cab tractor, or post hole auger until I was in my teens. My dad was very clear he wanted us to experience that early on so we would not have any romantic notions about it. We all experienced directly and indirectly the toll that life style takes on a person and their family. My dad did not want that for us and made it blatantly clear.

I think people who have experienced true hard work don't romanticize it. Its the people who who kind of ran down the edge that like to hype it up. You see the same thing with war. The guys that really experienced it in the trenches rarely have much to say about it. Those that kind of dipped their toes in tend to tell all the "war stories".

Thats just my .02


Give that man a hand...…...don't remember my dad ever saying he wanted us to have it better and easier than him or have more than him. Just wanted us to learn to work, be smart about it, have a good attitude and good things would happen. Kinda funny....I always thought we were rich but can remember the first year he came home with his W-2 form and was so thrilled he had grossed $6,000.00 for the first time in his life and raised 5 kids.


I suppose things were good enough for your family that there was no need to wish things were better. If you thought you were rich, I assume thingd weren’t too bad.

True....just observing it was obvious we had more than many but nobody was starving or homeless.
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Postby backhoeboogie » Tue May 22, 2018 11:50 am

First pay was hauling hay on a hay truck. Some paid 12 cents a bale and others paid 15 cents. The truck got half. The truck owner and the two swampers split the other half. I think we went with three man teams because we were so young. Loading onto the tail gate and stacking was two steps for us. We stair stepped bales in the barn.

When you got a hay truck of your own, it meant earning more. You took care of that truck. I had to get mom to buy oil when she went in to town because I didn't have my driver's license yet.
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Postby Dave » Tue May 22, 2018 1:05 pm

TCRanch wrote: But there's a guy in town that retired early and works part time at the hardware store currently going out of business. Told me he'd love to help out for any odd job, just to keep him active/sane/motivated. Doesn't really have any ranching/fencing/heavy equipment experience but I would be hesitant (okay, embarrassed) to offer only $10 an hour when I pay a buttload for a professional to come in and get the job done. Thoughts?



I have been helping a rancher all winter and now well into spring. He buys me breakfast and lunch. I work about 4 days a week. My wife says I need to get a tee shirt that says, "Will Work For Food". For some of us it is more important to keep active and moving than it is to make money. In fact I told him that I wouldn't work for money. That way if it is 100 degrees out and he is building fence I can just go home. But yesterday I took a generator and an air compresser to a pasture with 4 connected tire tanks and blew out the lines. Then helped gather 20 fall pairs that we sorted. I hauled two loads to a pasture 5 miles away. For this I got sausage and eggs for breakfast and a hamburger for lunch.
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