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Post by lithuanian farmer » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:04 am

My latest post has disappeared, so will do a small update.
So far 8 calves on the ground:
Four sired by Red Angus, all out of heifers and all born unassisted, would guess ~70-85lbs BWs.
Two calves by Belgian blue bull, both born unassisted out of 7years old Charx cows, ~110lbs.
Two Limousinex calves out of heifers. One has been assisted as it took too long for heifer to make a progress, 110-112lbs.

Now wait for the next calves in he January. Will probably have 7 calves then: 3Charolaisx, 2 Piedmontesex, one INRA95x and one BBx. All due from the 14th until the 31st of the January. Then there is one Blondex due on the 7th of February. In March there will be a couple calves from cows and heifers will start calving with Blondex and Angusx calves. In total there still should be 20+ calves from AI until summer.

Going to use AI for the second round too. Have some straws left of both Blonde bulls, Piedmontese and have ordered more of the Charolais bull. Going to add Simmental this time to the variety, will use different BB bull, and going to choose something for the heifers.

The Simmental bull. Already used on one Charx cow, which had BBx heifer in September.
[youtube]https://youtu.be/jSeAFtqhytk[/youtube]
http://www.netbbg.com/netbbg.site/index.php/bull/immense-de-herock/ BB bull which have used on another Charx cow, which had BBx calf in September too.

At the moment choosing what kind of limousine bull to use. One doesn't have any photo shown of him, so I'm quite hesitant about him. Other two:
http://www.evolution-int.com/en/bull/34/FR1934109355/alt This one should be very easy calving, but also puts a nice shape on his calves.
http://www.evolution-int.com/en/bull/34/FR1211177873/alt?fbclid=IwAR2Cv8FYE10eyeo8YzLWvAzwwu1UNq_Eb13Pr7wJzY5lJ_jvwS7uFAnDaQA Quite easy calving too. Also has very good old French genetics, famous for producing good females.

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Re: Back to AI

Post by frieghttrain » Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:54 am

All the choices to make! Hardest part is waiting the nine months!
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Re: Back to AI

Post by pdfangus » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:00 pm

[quote="lithuanian farmer"]Just AI'ed one cow with Charolais.
4th calver. Had a white heifer from a limo bull, so expect a white calf. Preferably a heifer. :)
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don't know why but I am not seeing your pictures

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Re: Back to AI

Post by farmerjan » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:25 pm

Boy, I wish I had the diverse market here that you have as I like some of those DM breeds. I think the BB are a bit more than I would want, but I liked that "lookout" young char bull picture and like both the limi bulls. If it's not black here, you can just about "can it" because you are going to take a hit. I want more butt on my calves instead of these straight slab sided ones that are becoming the norm.
Even silver up in BC has some real nice heifers and not a black on in the last posted pictures.

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Re: Back to AI

Post by lithuanian farmer » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:14 pm

frieghttrain wrote:All the choices to make! Hardest part is waiting the nine months!

Oh yes, that's so true! But it still has passed quite quickly for me. Just doing everyday works and you see that it's already time to count the last days until the new calves. That's the most exciting part!

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Post by lithuanian farmer » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:45 pm

farmerjan wrote:Boy, I wish I had the diverse market here that you have as I like some of those DM breeds. I think the BB are a bit more than I would want, but I liked that "lookout" young char bull picture and like both the limi bulls. If it's not black here, you can just about "can it" because you are going to take a hit. I want more butt on my calves instead of these straight slab sided ones that are becoming the norm.
Even silver up in BC has some real nice heifers and not a black on in the last posted pictures.

Not everybody likes double muscled breeds here too, but there are some places where you can sell such animals. I was quite worried about calving bbx calves, but so far it seems to work well. I personally like abit more shape on an animal even if it's a heifer. As long as they are good size, proper bull selection and not too fat,they shouldn't have more problem with calving than plainer heifers.
I've seen many examples of people raising double muscled cattle without trouble, so I'd want to reach their animals quality with time. The highest kill out and better muscularity, the better you'll be paid for an animal. No matter the colour, thankfully. That's just how it's here now.

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Re: Back to AI

Post by lithuanian farmer » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:54 am

Have ordered some straws of one Limousine bull. Another had only sexed straws for bull calves and for way bigger price than I'd like. The bull we will use has very good old French genetics with good maternal characteristics, the history of excellent daughters from the sire and grandsire.
Will use this one on the pure heifer and most our limox heifers, maybe a couple young cows.
http://www.evolution-int.com/en/bull/34/FR1211177873/alt

His sire:
http://www.trouverlebontaureau.com/nos-taureaux/taureau_FR3615069746
Maternal grandsire:
http://www.trouverlebontaureau.com/nos-taureaux/taureau_FR2396032213

Will start to AI heifers around May-June.

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Post by frieghttrain » Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:34 pm

lithuanian farmer wrote:Have ordered some straws of one Limousine bull. Another had only sexed straws for bull calves and for way bigger price than I'd like. The bull we will use has very good old French genetics with good maternal characteristics, the history of excellent daughters from the sire and grandsire.
Will use this one on the pure heifer and most our limox heifers, maybe a couple young cows.
http://www.evolution-int.com/en/bull/34/FR1211177873/alt

His sire:
http://www.trouverlebontaureau.com/nos-taureaux/taureau_FR3615069746
Maternal grandsire:
http://www.trouverlebontaureau.com/nos-taureaux/taureau_FR2396032213

Will start to AI heifers around May-June.

Looks good! I still have semen on some of the original french bulls shipped over here way back when.
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Post by lithuanian farmer » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:53 am

frieghttrain wrote:Looks good! I still have semen on some of the original french bulls shipped over here way back when.

Our new bull is full french limousine too.Have used some french AI bulls before and liked them alot.

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Post by lithuanian farmer » Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:12 am

Decided to add one more bull to the whole bunch... For the colour, and not just it... We planed about using Shorthorn bull many years ago, but it wasn't meant to be and our car had broken in the road on our way to one farm to look for the bull...
So probably going to add a Shorthorn bull to the tank. He seems pretty good to use for heifers to add some colour and probably some milk. Nothing much, just maybe 5 or so calves would be planned from him.
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So this year calves crop from: Limousine, BB, Charolais, Blonde, Red Angus, Piedmontese, INRA95, and maybe Simmental by the end of the year.
Plan for the next year crop: Limousine, Charolais, BB, Blonde, Piedmontese, Shorthorn. Maybe Simmental, if our vet will have something worth my attention, as he has finished all straws of the one I was interested in...

Made friends with one AI company and have talked about what other breeds I'd like to try. The director is as curious person as I am, and he wants to try something new too. He might be able to bring some straws of the ones I like in the future. The ones I'd like to try out are Parthenaise(missed our chance last year...), Maine Anjou, Culard Charolais, Verbeterd Roodbont, Bazadaise. Would like to get more straws of INRA95... So our commercial herd might get even more colourful in the future...

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Re: Back to AI

Post by frieghttrain » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:19 am

Man o man that's alot of different breeds! Shorthorn should add some milk and definitely color.. I do get the wanting to experiment with other breeds but aren't you giving up consistency? In any case it will be very fun to see the calves :)
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Post by lithuanian farmer » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:58 am

frieghttrain wrote:Man o man that's alot of different breeds! Shorthorn should add some milk and definitely color.. I do get the wanting to experiment with other breeds but aren't you giving up consistency? In any case it will be very fun to see the calves :)

Our herd isn't consistent now too.Have 6 different beef breeds and even when we let a pure bull in the herd calves are very different... With different bulls I choose which one will be the best to use on which cow to increase the quality (except with angus and probably shorthorn, but they sure can look impressive when crossed well), know which cow needs a more muscled bull to put on more meat, some needs just a good looking one and I believe that most of the calves will be quite similar in quality even if sired by different breeds. My main goal with AI is to get some very good heifers for building the herd and replacing their mothers. There sure will be a couple different types of calves, but as long as they grade well, have high kill-out% and grow well, it doesn't really matter to me if one will be light boned and another will look like a hippo. Have been watching how other farmers have several breeds in their herds and calves don't look that different from each other. It'l be just our commercial herd to test out new breeds, to look what we like the most. Only 14years in the cattle business, so still haven't decided what we like the most. Some of the breeds I use won't bring up the quality as a calf for terminal use, but I see that cross to be working well for making an excellent cow, which could have some very good calves. So such breeds as Angus, Shorthorn and even Simmental I use in hope to get as many heifers as possible. I know they won't compare with BBx in some traits, but they make great cows, on which I'll be able to use more muscled bulls. So in general, what I want to build is two types of cows. One is more muscled(Blonde, Charolais, Piedmontese, BB, Limousine), to produce some show quality calves, but using safer bulls. And the second is abit plainer type cows( Angus, Simmental, Limousine,Shorthorn), which could calve more extreme calves, would be a source for producing replacements for the first type cows.
I knew that somebody will mention consistency... :) Not sure how everything will look in the future, but I have my own vision of what I'd like to see after ~10 years and hopefully it'll work out.
I hope I've answered your question... :)

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Re: Back to AI

Post by frieghttrain » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:45 pm

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frieghttrain wrote:Man o man that's alot of different breeds! Shorthorn should add some milk and definitely color.. I do get the wanting to experiment with other breeds but aren't you giving up consistency? In any case it will be very fun to see the calves :)

Our herd isn't consistent now too.Have 6 different beef breeds and even when we let a pure bull in the herd calves are very different... With different bulls I choose which one will be the best to use on which cow to increase the quality (except with angus and probably shorthorn, but they sure can look impressive when crossed well), know which cow needs a more muscled bull to put on more meat, some needs just a good looking one and I believe that most of the calves will be quite similar in quality even if sired by different breeds. My main goal with AI is to get some very good heifers for building the herd and replacing their mothers. There sure will be a couple different types of calves, but as long as they grade well, have high kill-out% and grow well, it doesn't really matter to me if one will be light boned and another will look like a hippo. Have been watching how other farmers have several breeds in their herds and calves don't look that different from each other. It'l be just our commercial herd to test out new breeds, to look what we like the most. Only 14years in the cattle business, so still haven't decided what we like the most. Some of the breeds I use won't bring up the quality as a calf for terminal use, but I see that cross to be working well for making an excellent cow, which could have some very good calves. So such breeds as Angus, Shorthorn and even Simmental I use in hope to get as many heifers as possible. I know they won't compare with BBx in some traits, but they make great cows, on which I'll be able to use more muscled bulls. So in general, what I want to build is two types of cows. One is more muscled(Blonde, Charolais, Piedmontese, BB, Limousine), to produce some show quality calves, but using safer bulls. And the second is abit plainer type cows( Angus, Simmental, Limousine,Shorthorn), which could calve more extreme calves, would be a source for producing replacements for the first type cows.
I knew that somebody will mention consistency... :) Not sure how everything will look in the future, but I have my own vision of what I'd like to see after ~10 years and hopefully it'll work out.
I hope I've answered your question... :)

I'd say so! Sounds like a good plan!
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Re: Back to AI

Post by lithuanian farmer » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:20 pm

frieghttrain wrote:I'd say so! Sounds like a good plan!

Thank you! I enjoy all the planning and my parents let me do all the work in choosing bulls, cows as they know that I want to get a nice calf too, and I have more knowledge in some things. Well, as they said, I do have a lot of time while being away from home for studying.

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Post by lithuanian farmer » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:01 pm

I did manage to get some straws of Parthenaise this year! Finally! It's one of a few breeds I want the most in our herd.
It's a true headache to choose which bull to use on which cow/heifer now... Most of the herd will be AI'd this year as the new bull a the moment isn't even one year old. Don't want to push him hard for his first season. So far AI calves seem to be growing well. Not a single one has disappointed me yet.
In most cases here it doesn't matter what breed is the calf as long as it has a shape, grade and weight.

P.S. I'm aware that earlier posted photos can't be seen. No idea why, as they have been perfect earlier. Well, just gonna post a photo of the sire when the calves will be born...

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