What to look for when buying Brahman

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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Post by Bright Raven » Tue May 02, 2017 7:51 am

True Grit Farms wrote:Brahman cattle compete with Mexican cattle for the same market. There's no question that Brahman cattle work good for the producers in the south - southeast. You can post whatever and twist the facts, but the majority of the feedlots don't want heavily influenced Brahman cattle. And anyone that thinks different needs to take a road trip.


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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Post by True Grit Farms » Tue May 02, 2017 7:55 am

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True Grit Farms wrote:Brahman cattle compete with Mexican cattle for the same market. There's no question that Brahman cattle work good for the producers in the south - southeast. You can post whatever and twist the facts, but the majority of the feedlots don't want heavily influenced Brahman cattle. And anyone that thinks different needs to take a road trip.


Not hardly Grit the American Brahman was developed in Texas for the environment. It worked so well they spread like wildfire through the south.Kind of like all those fine Chars that used Brahman as a foundation to produce the American Char.


Your right there also Chars don't grade well either in the feedlots. A Brahman or Charolais crossed with Angus works good, and the Charolais cross works better for the feedlots. All I can tell you, is to crawl out from under that rock and travel around and tour different feedlots and ask questions. Brahman cattle work good and are profitable for the producers, not so much for the feedlots. Anywhere people have money and choices they don't intentionally buy Brahman cattle to eat.
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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Post by Caustic Burno » Tue May 02, 2017 8:00 am

WalnutCrest wrote:I think we've seen here that there are more than a few CAB producers (and others producers, too) who put something different in their own freezers ... Jersey and Jersey X ...


Jersey is fine eating and make an excellent cross with Brahman. Recent sale here those heifers averaged 2500 a piece.
Had a Jersey girl in my pasture for years she would even go squirrel hunting with me she follow you like a dog.
Guernsey makes a fine cross as well just don't see them or Brown Swiss anymore.

See Raven that is what you think the market dictates.
An Angus will be middle of the pack through the sale ring here.
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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Post by Caustic Burno » Tue May 02, 2017 8:05 am

True Grit Farms wrote:
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True Grit Farms wrote:Brahman cattle compete with Mexican cattle for the same market. There's no question that Brahman cattle work good for the producers in the south - southeast. You can post whatever and twist the facts, but the majority of the feedlots don't want heavily influenced Brahman cattle. And anyone that thinks different needs to take a road trip.


Not hardly Grit the American Brahman was developed in Texas for the environment. It worked so well they spread like wildfire through the south.Kind of like all those fine Chars that used Brahman as a foundation to produce the American Char.


Your right there also Chars don't grade well either in the feedlots. A Brahman or Charolais crossed with Angus works good, and the Charolais cross works better for the feedlots. All I can tell you, is to crawl out from under that rock and travel around and tour different feedlots and ask questions. Brahman cattle work good and are profitable for the producers, not so much for the feedlots. Anywhere people have money and choices they don't intentionally buy Brahman cattle to eat.


That's funny when 80% of the worlds beef supply is Brahman influenced.
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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Post by True Grit Farms » Tue May 02, 2017 8:11 am

Influenced being the kicker, and 80% of the world's population can't afford a prime steak either.
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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Post by Caustic Burno » Tue May 02, 2017 8:16 am

True Grit Farms wrote:Influenced being the kicker, and 80% of the world's population can't afford a prime steak either.


That is because most purebred cattle can't compete in pounds and longevity.
Secondly I bet 99% couldn't tell Water Buffalo from Angus set in front of them.
Don't fall in the indoctrination trap so many have.
If Musk Ox performed better and brought a premium I would be running them.
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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Post by True Grit Farms » Tue May 02, 2017 8:25 am

Caustic Burno wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:Influenced being the kicker, and 80% of the world's population can't afford a prime steak either.


That is because most purebred cattle can't compete in pounds and longevity.
Secondly I bet 99% couldn't tell Water Buffalo from Angus set in front of them.
Don't fall in the indoctrination trap so many have.
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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Post by Caustic Burno » Tue May 02, 2017 8:37 am

Grit the average American consumer only looks at one thing when purchasing protein and that is price. Why do you think 80% of all beef is being ground no matter the breed. You are not competing against prime steak your competing with box beef from all over the world.
Now if you were talking tennis shoes etc I would agree with you.
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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Post by callmefence » Tue May 02, 2017 8:42 am

Probably in over my head as I don't worry much about breed.
I will say I can't imagine why if given a choice anyone would run anything but a black Angus bull. And a cow herd with Brahman and or horned Hereford influence is hard to beat.

While not real popular here, I've been around a fair amount of simm cattle. Got a few right now. Always good calves will generally be amongst the biggest. But they are also the softest cattle I've been around. The cows fall apart have soft feet and soft mouths. As long as they can live the good life , get good groceries without walking to far on hard ground, I'm sure their great.

Striving for the quickest growing, with nothing else factored in...well , sounds kind like chicken to me
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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Post by Caustic Burno » Tue May 02, 2017 8:55 am

Fence we are already headed the way of chicken and pork.
In thirty years guys like us won't be here. Cattle will be womb to tomb in houses just like chicken and pork.
Fence when I was a journeyman butcher 50 years ago beef arrived to the store in quarters today from ribeye to hamburger comes boxed from anywhere in the world .
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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Post by Bright Raven » Tue May 02, 2017 9:17 am

Caustic Burno wrote:
WalnutCrest wrote:I think we've seen here that there are more than a few CAB producers (and others producers, too) who put something different in their own freezers ... Jersey and Jersey X ...


Jersey is fine eating and make an excellent cross with Brahman. Recent sale here those heifers averaged 2500 a piece.
Had a Jersey girl in my pasture for years she would even go squirrel hunting with me she follow you like a dog.
Guernsey makes a fine cross as well just don't see them or Brown Swiss anymore.

See Raven that is what you think the market dictates.
An Angus will be middle of the pack through the sale ring here.


CB. Would Charlie Boyd Jr. be making more right now if he had chosen Brahma rather than Black Angus? You are aware he has stud bulls in the major semen sales not to mention, their auction here in Mayslick sells some high dollar females.
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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Post by BK9954 » Tue May 02, 2017 9:20 am

The whole reason of getting into brahman is the crosses go for so much more. Low input, high output when a heavy bull is put on them. Last auction I went to the heifers were going for .40 to .60 more then any black heifer there. Down here brahman is king as it improves the performance in almost any breed the Texas heat. Brahman is the base so it is sought after IMO. Most any F-1 brahman do well. Especially black cross and hereford cross. Not so much charolais/brahman from what I have seen.
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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Post by Caustic Burno » Tue May 02, 2017 9:22 am

Bright Raven wrote:
Caustic Burno wrote:
WalnutCrest wrote:I think we've seen here that there are more than a few CAB producers (and others producers, too) who put something different in their own freezers ... Jersey and Jersey X ...


Jersey is fine eating and make an excellent cross with Brahman. Recent sale here those heifers averaged 2500 a piece.
Had a Jersey girl in my pasture for years she would even go squirrel hunting with me she follow you like a dog.
Guernsey makes a fine cross as well just don't see them or Brown Swiss anymore.

See Raven that is what you think the market dictates.
An Angus will be middle of the pack through the sale ring here.


CB. Would Charlie Boyd Jr. be making more right now if he had chosen Brahma rather than Black Angus? You are aware he has stud bulls in the major semen sales not to mention, their auction here in Mayslick sells some high dollar females.


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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Post by Brute 23 » Tue May 02, 2017 9:30 am

The idea that Brahman are only ran in the south and don't grade is old, out dated info. Join any Brahman group and see how many are spread out all over the US, and world.

As time goes on you are going to see less distinction between breeds because we are all striving for the same end result.... more production, less cost... and we know how to do it.

I'm not saying Brahman cattle are the only way to go but to not acknowledge their impact world wide is just crazy.
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Re: What to look for when buying Brahman

Post by Caustic Burno » Tue May 02, 2017 9:43 am

Raven this is the type most go for here.
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