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Help me understand

Postby farmguy » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:06 am

This was posted on another site where I am banned because I didn't agree with the moderator on a within the breed thing. I don't understand, can some one help me? If this is not proper forum behavior please delete this. Thanks farmguy

14 hours ago timbernt said:
We passed that a number of years ago. Look at the black cattle coming in a North American sale ring and try to tell what breed they are. Herefords may be the worst. At least with Simmental, Limousin, Gelbvieh, etc they have to be 87.5% to be registered. Only 40% in Herefords.
Tim I didn't realize that only 40% was required. That is absurd and explains some of the off colored animals that are inconsistent sires in type and color pattern

Read more: http://herefordtalk.com/thread/3358/230 ... z50IhUEzMU
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Re: Help me understand

Postby dun » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:34 am

Hereford like black angus require 100%
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:27 am

Simmental can be registered at SimAngus or SimSolution at an extremely low percentage - like 25%. I don't crossbreed, so I am not certain of the minimum, may be 3/8%
Simmental have to be 87.5% to be considered Purebred.
Is the poster referring to the "Black Herefords"???
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Re: Help me understand

Postby farmguy » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:43 am

No black Herefords on that forum are evil. Does anyone know what 40% is all about? I know we had neighbors register Simentals after so many generations, I think 3 generations they were considered purebred. But on this forum many constantly bash their own breed.
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Re: Help me understand

Postby cowgirl8 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:16 am

Are the trolls some of the ones from this forum? Like M5?
I think cattle will all merge into one breed eventually, ones that taste good, grow good and ones who have few health problems..... that's what i'm shooting for
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Re: Help me understand

Postby Bullitt » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:25 am

cowgirl8 wrote:I think cattle will all merge into one breed eventually, ones that taste good, grow good and ones who have few health problems..... that's what i'm shooting for


That would be a very boring cattle world if there was only one breed of beef cattle.
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Re: Help me understand

Postby Bright Raven » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:49 am

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Simmental can be registered at SimAngus or SimSolution at an extremely low percentage - like 25%. I don't crossbreed, so I am not certain of the minimum, may be 3/8%
Simmental have to be 87.5% to be considered Purebred.
Is the poster referring to the "Black Herefords"???


I have a Simangus cow registered that is 1/4 Simmental so it goes lower than 3/8 ths
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Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:05 pm

I "thought" they did, but was not sure. That is relatively "new" in my realm of breeding time-frame. (almost 50 years)
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Re: Help me understand

Postby cowgirl8 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:43 pm

Bullitt wrote:
cowgirl8 wrote:I think cattle will all merge into one breed eventually, ones that taste good, grow good and ones who have few health problems..... that's what i'm shooting for


That would be a very boring cattle world if there was only one breed of beef cattle.

So if a person is all angus, or horned hereford, they tend to be anti anything else and just prejudice against anything other than what they have . I think a combination of all breeds wrapped up into one, with the best of each one, would be the answer. You can sneeze black Hereford and the hate comes out....never understood it.
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Re: Help me understand

Postby Muddy » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:08 pm

I don't care for black Herefords since they're just another Angus composite.

But I thought a Hereford has to be 100% to be registered?
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Re: Help me understand

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:33 pm

Yup - no upgrading/crossbreeding with Hereford or Angus
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Re: Help me understand

Postby True Grit Farms » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:57 pm

Hereford.....some have horns, some are polled, but none are black.
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Re: Help me understand

Postby Bullitt » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:39 pm

True Grit Farms wrote:Hereford.....some have horns, some are polled, but none are black.


People have started making new breeds of everything black since, for some reason, black cattle seem to sell for higher prices. It makes no sense to me. You would think the cattle would be judged on conformation and not hair color.
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Re: Help me understand

Postby Bright Raven » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:43 pm

Bullitt wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:Hereford.....some have horns, some are polled, but none are black.


People have started making new breeds of everything black since, for some reason, black cattle seem to sell for higher prices. It makes no sense to me. You would think the cattle would be judged on conformation and not hair color.


Makes a lot of sense. You said it yourself - in markets where black cattle sell for a premium, producers who want to retain their breed base, are going to introduce genes to make their base black.
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Re: Help me understand

Postby cowgirl8 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:53 pm

What boggles my mind are the people stuck on red angus.....lol....I DONT UNDERSTAND... Its like, lets make a beautiful rose that smells like a skunk.....
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