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Re: Next Legendary Simmental Bull

Postby Son of Butch » Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:16 am

p.p.s.s.
Rasputin if he remains a bull.
Vlad for a steer... as I like the idea of castrating Putin.
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Re: Next Legendary Simmental Bull

Postby Bright Raven » Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:25 am

Son of Butch wrote:p.p.s.s.
Rasputin if he remains a bull.
Vlad for a steer... as I like the idea of castrating Putin.


I like Rasputin as a name. I doubt Kris would. That guy would have made a fortune if he had lived during the Era of the TV evangelist.

Amazing the influence he had. There are people who have some kinda mojo to do that. He was one.
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Re: Next Legendary Simmental Bull

Postby Fire Sweep Ranch » Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:33 am

Putin has a nice sound to it! I will have to run it by the kids... right now we are calling him "little dude".

Here is a funny; Since it was so cold when he was born, we pulled him and his dam up for the night into the barn. I let them out the next morning, because I hate keeping cattle in the barn (hate cleaning up pens by hand). Anyway, he walks out with him dam to the pasture, and ALL the cows, including the ones nestled down in the hay I laid out the night before, came running at him, some vocalizing! I think they thought he was a dog, because his coloring is so unusual!!! They followed him around for several minutes, and his dam did not like it!
My girls are not used to so much color.... but I never would have guessed they would react that way to a calf!
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Re: Next Legendary Simmental Bull

Postby Fire Sweep Ranch » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:06 am

True Grit Farms wrote:Logical is culling your poor producers, she's not a fertile cow and that is easily passed on. Then to go through the expense of putting a embro in that's not what your after is a waste. IMO That's going to be one heck of a calf, I would like to see it at 18 months.


I was going to let this rest, but decided against it. How is this cow NOT a fertile cow WHEN she just had her THIRD calf BEFORE her fourth birthday? Had I had a walking bull, she would have stuck. Most people that AI give them one chance, then throw a bull at them. We choose to work a little differently. IF they do not stick AI, we put an embryo in them. I think they have to be pretty fertile to carry an embryo. I have several cows that did not stick AI one year, raised an embryo, and then stuck AI the next year. Regardless of AI or embryo calf, the cow has to be fertile to do either. No free loaders here. Everyone produces a calf at least once a year, or they are gone.
By the way, she produces one heck of a calf! This was her calf from last fall (2016):
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Sired by American Pride, and had a yearling weight of 1182 (Oct born). I sold him at Farm Fest

This was her calf from 2015, a heifer sired by HPF Optimizer, Nov born
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For a first calf, had a weaning weight of 550 pounds at 189 days of age, a yearling weight of 1010 (of course, she was fed for show), and who she herself had a marvelous calf in October this fall, sired by Elevate, and is already 30 days bred back for a Broadway calf next September.
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I think she is a pretty darn good producer myself. And her daughter seems to be following in her footsteps.
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Re: Next Legendary Simmental Bull

Postby True Grit Farms » Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:51 am

Fire Sweep Ranch wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:Logical is culling your poor producers, she's not a fertile cow and that is easily passed on. Then to go through the expense of putting a embro in that's not what your after is a waste. IMO That's going to be one heck of a calf, I would like to see it at 18 months.


I was going to let this rest, but decided against it. How is this cow NOT a fertile cow WHEN she just had her THIRD calf BEFORE her fourth birthday? Had I had a walking bull, she would have stuck. Most people that AI give them one chance, then throw a bull at them. We choose to work a little differently. IF they do not stick AI, we put an embryo in them. I think they have to be pretty fertile to carry an embryo. I have several cows that did not stick AI one year, raised an embryo, and then stuck AI the next year. Regardless of AI or embryo calf, the cow has to be fertile to do either. No free loaders here. Everyone produces a calf at least once a year, or they are gone.
By the way, she produces one heck of a calf! This was her calf from last fall (2016):
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Sired by American Pride, and had a yearling weight of 1182 (Oct born). I sold him at Farm Fest

This was her calf from 2015, a heifer sired by HPF Optimizer, Nov born
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For a first calf, had a weaning weight of 550 pounds at 189 days of age, a yearling weight of 1010 (of course, she was fed for show), and who she herself had a marvelous calf in October this fall, sired by Elevate, and is already 30 days bred back for a Broadway calf next September.
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I think she is a pretty darn good producer myself. And her daughter seems to be following in her footsteps.

That's called assuming, AI can be more effective than a bull on a lot of cows. A bull just has the timing down to a tee or breeds her more than once sometimes. All that matters is it worked out for you. To me if a cow didn't stick to AI twice, I sure wouldn't of went thru the expense of putting a embryo in her. You'd be hard to beat at poker. And I dang sure wouldn't of put a half azz embryo in her. She sure produced a couple of really nice calves. Why not just use her as a recp? You know she's going to raise a really good calf.
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Re: Next Legendary Simmental Bull

Postby Ky hills » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:26 am

Fire Sweep Ranch wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:Logical is culling your poor producers, she's not a fertile cow and that is easily passed on. Then to go through the expense of putting a embro in that's not what your after is a waste. IMO That's going to be one heck of a calf, I would like to see it at 18 months.


I was going to let this rest, but decided against it. How is this cow NOT a fertile cow WHEN she just had her THIRD calf BEFORE her fourth birthday? Had I had a walking bull, she would have stuck. Most people that AI give them one chance, then throw a bull at them. We choose to work a little differently. IF they do not stick AI, we put an embryo in them. I think they have to be pretty fertile to carry an embryo. I have several cows that did not stick AI one year, raised an embryo, and then stuck AI the next year. Regardless of AI or embryo calf, the cow has to be fertile to do either. No free loaders here. Everyone produces a calf at least once a year, or they are gone.
By the way, she produces one heck of a calf! This was her calf from last fall (2016):
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Sired by American Pride, and had a yearling weight of 1182 (Oct born). I sold him at Farm Fest

This was her calf from 2015, a heifer sired by HPF Optimizer, Nov born
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For a first calf, had a weaning weight of 550 pounds at 189 days of age, a yearling weight of 1010 (of course, she was fed for show), and who she herself had a marvelous calf in October this fall, sired by Elevate, and is already 30 days bred back for a Broadway calf next September.
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I think she is a pretty darn good producer myself. And her daughter seems to be following in her footsteps.


Beautiful cattle, :tiphat: That bull calf looks really impressive to me, and has some serious length of body.
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Re: Next Legendary Simmental Bull

Postby Son of Butch » Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:49 am

Bright Raven wrote:Here ladies and gentlemen is your first glimpse of the next great Simmental legend sired by One Eyed Jack:
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I nominate Little Dude aka Vladimir PUTIN as Cattle Forum's 2018 Calf of the Year.

Thanks to Ronsputin's exceptionally "informative" posting he'll be hard to beat in creating controversy.
Get a sister to him and you could name her: "Miss Information"
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Re: Next Legendary Simmental Bull

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:42 pm

FS - I would guess Grit has not tried to maintain a breeding season using 100% AI. Our cows are fertile myrtles or they wouldn't be in your program or mine.
And what's wrong with using a cheap embryo to produce a potential 4-H calf? Good job.
Not sure about your situation, but my vet does my embryo implants and charges $10/implant + house call. Cheaper than some of the semen I use!!
He is flashy and will get more "roaned" colored, I believe.
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Re: Next Legendary Simmental Bull

Postby cattleman99 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:57 pm

There are very fertile cows out there that will not stick to AI but when put with a bull stick quick every time. Personally I AI very little. Find the calves are usually as good or better out of my herd bulls.
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Re: Next Legendary Simmental Bull

Postby Bright Raven » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:09 pm

cattleman99 wrote:There are very fertile cows out there that will not stick to AI but when put with a bull stick quick every time. Personally I AI very little. Find the calves are usually as good or better out of my herd bulls.


Not being sarcastic, but that depends on how good the herd bull is. Maybe my herd bulls that I had here were common. Based on that premise - my AI calves have been much better.

More importantly for me, I don't have the time and resources invested in a walking bull.
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Re: Next Legendary Simmental Bull

Postby cattleman99 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:22 pm

Bright Raven wrote:
cattleman99 wrote:There are very fertile cows out there that will not stick to AI but when put with a bull stick quick every time. Personally I AI very little. Find the calves are usually as good or better out of my herd bulls.


Not being sarcastic, but that depends on how good the herd bull is. Maybe my herd bulls that I had here were common. Based on that premise - my AI calves have been much better.

More importantly for me, I don't have the time and resources invested in a walking bull.


Time? Not sure what you mean. Takes me a lot less time to pick a bull out of a catalog, take a drive to look at him and buy him than it does to try and heat detect and AI. Lots of sales around here every year between eastern Saskatchewan and Manitoba, North Dakota isn't far either if the dollar improves. At 60-100 bulls per sale there are several thousand to choose from, so it's not hard to get one bought for 6-8k which I am comfortable spending.
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Re: Next Legendary Simmental Bull

Postby Bright Raven » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:34 pm

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Time? Not sure what you mean. Takes me a lot less time to pick a bull out of a catalog, take a drive to look at him and buy him than it does to try and heat detect and AI. Lots of sales around here every year between eastern Saskatchewan and Manitoba, North Dakota isn't far either if the dollar improves. At 60-100 bulls per sale there are several thousand to choose from, so it's not hard to get one bought for 6-8k which I am comfortable spending.


Time and resources managing a live bull. Feeding him separately during the time you don't want him in the herd. Keeping him separate from the heifers.

This is premised on the infrastructure, acreage and small size of my operation. My strategy is keeping everything in one herd. I can then rotate between three pastures. With a bull, I often had to manage him separately. AI for me has been a relatively simple effort. I have been 100 % on getting them all bred. Right now, I have bred 21 since Thanksgiving. 15 have passed as bred. 6 are waiting to pass. For only the effort of 45 days of heat detection and breeding, I can put my bull in a tank!
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Re: Next Legendary Simmental Bull

Postby cattleman99 » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:39 pm

I have a second yard with a small pasture and lots of bush I Winter my bulls in a couple miles away. There is no issue for me that way. I AI a little but prefer not to, except for the heifers.
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Re: Next Legendary Simmental Bull

Postby Bright Raven » Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:42 pm

cattleman99 wrote:I have a second yard with a small pasture and lots of bush I Winter my bulls in a couple miles away. There is no issue for me that way. I AI a little but prefer not to, except for the heifers.


Larger operations makes a big difference. I understand.
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Re: Next Legendary Simmental Bull

Postby Fire Sweep Ranch » Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:59 pm

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:FS - I would guess Grit has not tried to maintain a breeding season using 100% AI. Our cows are fertile myrtles or they wouldn't be in your program or mine.
And what's wrong with using a cheap embryo to produce a potential 4-H calf? Good job.
Not sure about your situation, but my vet does my embryo implants and charges $10/implant + house call. Cheaper than some of the semen I use!!
He is flashy and will get more "roaned" colored, I believe.


Yes, exactly!
The kids are having fun watching this guy, he stands out! His mom has more milk than he can consume.... and at just a few days old, he has taken possession of the "compost pile"!!! :lol2:
This one will be a fun steer project.
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King of the MOUNTAIN! lol
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