jdg wrote:The bit about playing Offense and Defense is important to remember. Pharo is correct, IMO, about breeding for cattle that fit the environment, and I believe, mostly right about smaller cattle being more efficient. (exceptions to every rule) But small framed calves do get docked.
Anything taken to any extreme will leave you there, stranded.
Calving ease has been preached, and if a producer has too many successive years is using smaller and smaller BW bulls (with bad growth stats), they'll be better off dispersing and using the money to start over with the correct cows than to 'fix' the ones they have.
jdg wrote:I believe most people would make more money with moderate sized cattle (frame 4.0-5.5) bred to a terminal bull, and not saving those heifers).
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jdg wrote:Pharo bulls would probably work best to downsize the black cows out there that weight 1800+ with 3 terminal bulls up close in their pedigree.
I said it above, seeking extremes rarely is a profitable long term decision.
If I breed for anything extreme, it's (a) easy fleshing on low inputs, (b) fertility on low inputs, and (c) tender beef for the consumer.
jdg wrote:If you trace Pharo's pedigrees, many of them feature Ohlde, Wye, Beckton, and Buffalo Creek breeding; programs that have made a mark on their respective niches. The Pharo program certainly excels at marketing, but I believe it is pointing in the right direction, the caveat is also that there is a place for breeding maternal, and a place to breed pounds.
I have zero idea about his genetics. I'll have to trust you're right.