Baldies from a Simmental Bull?

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Baldies from a Simmental Bull?

Postby Bullitt » Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:51 pm

Will a Simmental bull with two black genes produce good baldy calves?

Will the Simmental bull X Hereford produce good black baldies?

Will the Simmental bull X Charolais produce good yellow baldies?

Also, what would be produced from the Simmental bull crossed with a Brahman cow?
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Re: Baldies from a Simmental Bull?

Postby ALACOWMAN » Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:22 pm

https://www.google.com/search?q=simbrah ... ifHD6RePpM: Simbrah F1 is a good cow, but can be flighty... And hard to keep...really need to do some home work on the parent stock...as for as homozygous black you can get a few baldies In the mix.. But most will be solid..
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Re: Baldies from a Simmental Bull?

Postby Bullitt » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:03 pm

ALACOWMAN wrote:https://www.google.com/search?q=simbrah+cattle&client=safari&hl=en-us&prmd=ivn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDm9Kl2qPZAhVS2lMKHTjEBjwQ_AUIESgB&biw=768&bih=960&dpr=2#imgrc=2vlMifHD6RePpM: Simbrah F1 is a good cow, but can be flighty... And hard to keep...really need to do some home work on the parent stock...as for as homozygous black you can get a few baldies In the mix.. But most will be solid..



Maybe the Simmental bull is good for a terminal cross.

From what I have read, here in Texas, the tiger striped cows (Hereford X Brahman) crossed with a black Simmental is about the best three-way cross. Would the homozygous black Simmental bull produce black calves?

I think a Hereford bull would be good on many breeds of cattle. I could use a Hereford bull on Hereford, of course, Angus, Brangus, red Angus, Charolais, Brahman, and probably others. Then use a Simmental bull on those tiger striped cows or baldy cows that are produced.
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Re: Baldies from a Simmental Bull?

Postby ALACOWMAN » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:17 pm

With a homozygous black bull the calves will be black....and is a great 3 way cross...won't be long now,and I'll be shopping for a Hereford bull myself...
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Re: Baldies from a Simmental Bull?

Postby Bullitt » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:27 pm

ALACOWMAN wrote:With a homozygous black bull the calves will be black....and is a great 3 way cross...won't be long now,and I'll be shopping for a Hereford bull myself...


Do you plan to put a Hereford bull on Brahman cows or some other breed?
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Re: Baldies from a Simmental Bull?

Postby ALACOWMAN » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:43 pm

Bullitt wrote:
ALACOWMAN wrote:With a homozygous black bull the calves will be black....and is a great 3 way cross...won't be long now,and I'll be shopping for a Hereford bull myself...


Do you plan to put a Hereford bull on Brahman cows or some other breed?

Going on black high percentage Angus that are Brahman influenced ... From about every Brahman derivative there is... :cboy:
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Re: Baldies from a Simmental Bull?

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:23 pm

Homo black bull of any breed will produce a black calf. The white face or blaze face is a different gene. Solid homo black bull bred to Hereford will be BWF. I don't believe any would be solid black, but the face gene screws me up. Hereford white face is a different gene than the blaze face type gene.
I totally understand the body spots - they are recessive, so you can have two solid colored parents and end up with a spotted calf if both parents are carrying the spotting gene and BOTH pass it on to the calf. But, face, feet, tail, bellie - all different genes. And I don't think they are the "common recessive or dominant" gene.
Any one have a better handle on the genetics of the white "chrome" markings??
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Re: Baldies from a Simmental Bull?

Postby Jeanne - Simme Valley » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:25 pm

Bullitt - when are you going to just commit and buy something? You keep trying to pick our brains, but until you get cattle & try the different crosses to SEE what YOU like, it doesn't make any difference what we think.
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Re: Baldies from a Simmental Bull?

Postby Bullitt » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:04 pm

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Bullitt - when are you going to just commit and buy something? You keep trying to pick our brains, but until you get cattle & try the different crosses to SEE what YOU like, it doesn't make any difference what we think.


Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion.

It is important to be informed before buying.
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Re: Baldies from a Simmental Bull?

Postby Bright Raven » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:45 pm

Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:Homo black bull of any breed will produce a black calf. The white face or blaze face is a different gene. Solid homo black bull bred to Hereford will be BWF. I don't believe any would be solid black, but the face gene screws me up. Hereford white face is a different gene than the blaze face type gene.
I totally understand the body spots - they are recessive, so you can have two solid colored parents and end up with a spotted calf if both parents are carrying the spotting gene and BOTH pass it on to the calf. But, face, feet, tail, bellie - all different genes. And I don't think they are the "common recessive or dominant" gene.
Any one have a better handle on the genetics of the white "chrome" markings??


Jeanne. Genetics is not as neat and clean as many of the posts on this forum seems to indicate. Genes are located at sites called loci. Just because an animal is homozygous meaning both alleles are homologs does not mean that those genes cannot be influenced by genes at other loci. Which is why it is difficult to make definitive statements about the "chrome markings". To my knowledge what you said is basically the way I understand it.
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