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Re: Simmental vs Angus

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:45 pm
by ALACOWMAN
The Angus is the better bull ... That Simmentals got some big open shoulders. Potential hard calving ...he's pretty course..

Re: Simmental vs Angus

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:10 am
by Richnm
Do you think solid mouth calves would have a hard time with the delivering the Simmentals calves ? We wouldn’t use him on heifers.

Re: Simmental vs Angus

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:31 am
by Jeanne - Simme Valley
How about a picture of the Simmental bull with his head up so you can compare shoulders. A big bull with his head down looks awful.

Re: Simmental vs Angus

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:36 am
by Richnm
The top picture and the bottom picture where the bulls head down are the angus pics. The middle 2 pics are the Simmental.

Re: Simmental vs Angus

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:48 am
by ALACOWMAN
Jeanne - Simme Valley wrote:How about a picture of the Simmental bull with his head up so you can compare shoulders. A big bull with his head down looks awful.
i agree that they do up to a point..but he's pretty open between the shoulders...look at the top pic, side view with his head up slightly...

Re: Simmental vs Angus

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:57 am
by Richnm
The Simmental is 18 months and weights 1720. The angus is 3 and weighs 2,200

Re: Simmental vs Angus

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:18 pm
by Jeanne - Simme Valley
There you go. The Simmental is the better of the two. Angus bull is definitely open shouldered :lol:
They are both pretty darn good bulls. I do agree about the shoulders on the Angus, but I do think the Angus' rump carries further down his hind leg. Both appear to have been raised right and ready to be turned out.

Re: Simmental vs Angus

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:44 pm
by ALACOWMAN
Surely the angus bull has some calves on the ground by now...

Re: Simmental vs Angus

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:46 pm
by Richnm
Said he is a virgin

Re: Simmental vs Angus

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:55 pm
by Richnm
Exactly. Said he is. He has been with cows. I dont understand Simmental epds. The angus yw and ww are higher ? Is it different from breed to breed? I assume the Simmental calves would have more growth ?

Re: Simmental vs Angus

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:56 pm
by ALACOWMAN
Well don't do any thing to change his current status....

Re: Simmental vs Angus

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:22 pm
by Jeanne - Simme Valley
His CE is decent. He is NOT a growth bull by his numbers. He doesn't have very good numbers across the board - most in the bottom 10% for the breed. Not something I pay much attention to. Do you know his actual WW or his YW?
You cannot compare the Simmental numbers against the Angus numbers.

Re: Simmental vs Angus

Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:46 pm
by Richnm
Ww . Which would have bull would have faster growing calves ? The Simmental birthweight I was told is 78 pounds. That’s all the data I have.

Re: Simmental vs Angus

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:53 am
by Chocolate Cow2
What breed is the "1/4 CS" on the simmental paper? I can't seem to put that together with anything.

Re: Simmental vs Angus

Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:28 am
by Lucky_P
CS is 'Commercial Simmental'...essentially an unregistered animal of presumed purebred status(maybe?).
Not sure how ASA considers CS in figuring %
SM ...Jeanne may ...