God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

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Re: God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

Post by sim.-ang.king » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:09 am

Aaron wrote:
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These posts are like driving by a car wreck. One can't help but look. No good comes from it but you can't help but slow down and look.
I agree. I even stopped, propped TT's body up alongside the car and made it look like he was waving and smiling to everyone going by as the entire scene burned around him. Gotta give the man a purpose! :D
I would like to know how many Brookhill has hiding in is trunk. They just keep popping out of it like some kind of clown car.


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Re: God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

Post by W.B. » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:24 am

Aaron wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:54 am
Dave wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 8:32 am
These posts are like driving by a car wreck. One can't help but look. No good comes from it but you can't help but slow down and look.
I agree. I even stopped, propped TT's body up alongside the car and made it look like he was waving and smiling to everyone going by as the entire scene burned around him. Gotta give the man a purpose! :D
Now that is funny. You know you guys are just a bunch of haters don't you? The much esteemed golden bull is already a world wide sensation. Now every time a SAV President son walks into a sale ring somewhere he is a half brother to the 1.51 million dollar SAV America. Rising tide raises all ships. Sarcasm intended. :D

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Re: God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

Post by dbirdsong » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:29 am

I’m not sure how it’s price fixing to place a floor bit on auction cattle. Every sale I have ever been to has a value attached to the bulls and if they don’t bring that amount they take them home and sale them private treaty. If SAV felt like America was valued at 1.5 million and no one else at the sale does then he can take the bull home a try to sale him privately. If someone at the sale placed a higher value on the bull than Herbster and SAV I’m sure they would have won the bid.

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Re: God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

Post by NEFarmwife » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:49 am

I really think a lot of Herbster. I really do. Also, if you look at our commercial operation...You'll see everything is either SAV or Herbster (that wasn't sold by SAV).

My thoughts on Herbster purchasing this bull was to market President. Think about what this will do for President.
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Re: God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

Post by Red Bull Breeder » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:05 am

Well for all of you folks that can't afford a million dollar bull, you can go to Yukon Ok March 1 and buy some cheaper imitations.

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Re: God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

Post by Brookhill Angus » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:19 am

Saw a quote I really liked today, it applies here.

“I need some new haters because the old ones are beginning to like me” Grant Cardone

So true!

If you can’t afford an $80 straw of semen to improve your program, you ain’t got a “program”
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Re: God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

Post by Red Bull Breeder » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:38 am

Or you can wait a few years and buy it cheaper. No proof yet that he will improve a herd.

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Re: God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

Post by torogmc81 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:40 am

NEFarmwife wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:49 am
I really think a lot of Herbster. I really do. Also, if you look at our commercial operation...You'll see everything is either SAV or Herbster (that wasn't sold by SAV).

My thoughts on Herbster purchasing this bull was to market President. Think about what this will do for President.
Great point on the marketing of Pres., I completely agree.

I'm too lazy to look up past results prior to the record flush, but the high seller/record breaking trend seems to come in waves from SAV. I expect a one or two year pull back on high seller at SAV, and then another record setter. Just :2cents:

Could you imagine, the naming possibilities.
SAV 'Merica
SAV Trump
SAV Keep America Great

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Re: God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

Post by sim.-ang.king » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:45 am

I could afford a $80 straw, just not a $80 straw from a bull with that little of flex in his hock and hip.
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Re: God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

Post by Silver » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:46 am

Brookhill Angus wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:19 am
Saw a quote I really liked today, it applies here.

“I need some new haters because the old ones are beginning to like me” Grant Cardone

So true!

If you can’t afford an $80 straw of semen to improve your program, you ain’t got a “program”
The problem I have here is that you make the assumption that it WILL improve the program. Or that it's "not a program" because it isn't your program of choice.
If I had something specific I wanted to fix in a smaller herd, I would consider buying expensive semen from a bull I thought would address the issue. But I don't believe for a second that the price of a bull has a direct correlation with getting the results I am looking for. I think the bull in question would mostly affect the colour of my cows.
There comes a point of diminishing returns, there needs to be a business case, and in my case (and I think a great many commercial producers cases) I can not see one.

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Re: God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

Post by Brookhill Angus » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:52 am

NEFarmwife wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:49 am
I really think a lot of Herbster. I really do. Also, if you look at our commercial operation...You'll see everything is either SAV or Herbster (that wasn't sold by SAV).

My thoughts on Herbster purchasing this bull was to market President. Think about what this will do for President.
Same here, I share your thoughts exactly.

I will definitely be using SAV America 8018, but let me say this about President, he is one heck of a bull, and will definitely not fall off the radar.

True Grit asked me if Harvestor and International were old news now? Not even close. Go and breed 30 cows with Harvestor, get a bunch of daughters and see how easy they are to sell. Really good registered Harvestor daughters are hard to find, and most that have them won't let go of them. I see the same happening for President.

In fact, all you studious folks on here that watch the sales closely, tell me how easy it would be to buy a registered and PROVEN via DNA, President daughter right now? Not too easy is it?

I'm using President again this year, and the daughters that I have from him are not for sale. I will consider selling his granddaughters once they are available, but not his direct daughters.
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Re: God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

Post by Brookhill Angus » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:04 pm

Silver wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:46 am
Brookhill Angus wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:19 am
Saw a quote I really liked today, it applies here.

“I need some new haters because the old ones are beginning to like me” Grant Cardone

So true!

If you can’t afford an $80 straw of semen to improve your program, you ain’t got a “program”
The problem I have here is that you make the assumption that it WILL improve the program. Or that it's "not a program" because it isn't your program of choice.
If I had something specific I wanted to fix in a smaller herd, I would consider buying expensive semen from a bull I thought would address the issue. But I don't believe for a second that the price of a bull has a direct correlation with getting the results I am looking for. I think the bull in question would mostly affect the colour of my cows.
There comes a point of diminishing returns, there needs to be a business case, and in my case (and I think a great many commercial producers cases) I can not see one.
Diminishing returns? I'm pretty sure that when Conan of Wye was at his height of popularity that people said, "this is as good as it gets folks"

Or how about the muscle cars of the 60's, they are slow by today's standards, loud, but slow.

Nobody is saying that SAV America 8018 will fix all that is wrong with a herd, that could take a decade to fix with multiple sires, but he IS a good start. If a person has a crappy herd and wants to get started, I would probably recommend Hoover Dam, then breed his daughters to President or America, and go that route. Then you have a really good base to build on.

I have a business background, and it's where I have my degrees, so let me paint a business proposition for you. Let's assume you have 30 black heifers to sell, privately at that, and let's assume that you are going to be honest about things and possibly do a parentage test on them. Do you think that those heifers will be easier to sell if they were sired by SAV America or some no name bull with a ton of hidden issues in his pedigree? That's assuming anyone even knows his pedigree, or that it is accurate?

When I get my old Ford powerstroke fixed, I always ask, "are you putting on genuine Ford parts" or are you putting some cheap Chinese crap on here that will need to be replaced quickly" They tell me that I have an option of what I want, I go with the best, and my truck just keeps on trucking without any problems. I sold a bull to a Chevrolet mechanic and we discussed the same thing, and he told me that he only uses genuine parts in his garage, because the cheap imitations always disappoint. It's basic economics, you will get more for a heifer from a top sire than from a mystery bull. If making more money is important, than do what I recommend, if sales don't matter to you, and you are in this business for the fun of it, breed to whatever suits your fancy.
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Re: God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

Post by Silver » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:15 pm

You're not getting it Brookhill. You are all caught up in the emotion, commotion and promotion. You are forgetting that these bulls reason for being is to produce beef that ends up on the hook. You need to understand that there are plenty of options for astute commercial breeders to attain cattle that are profitable. A high priced highly promoted bull is possibly a way, but is certainly not the only way. I think you need to get out and tour around a bit. Come up here and I can show you herds of commercial cattle that will open your eyes to a whole reality that you don't seem to know exists.

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Re: God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

Post by True Grit Farms » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:20 pm

Brookhill Angus wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:19 am
Saw a quote I really liked today, it applies here.

“I need some new haters because the old ones are beginning to like me” Grant Cardone

So true!

If you can’t afford an $80 straw of semen to improve your program, you ain’t got a “program”
You are assuming America can improve someone's herd. I assume America might be able to improve my herd. He'll show up at different bull evaluation test in a couple of years. Then we'll know if he's really a good bull for the commercial cattleman. SAV does very well at most of the bull evaluation tests. The only downside to SAV bulls that I've noticed is when feed intake is figured into the equation. SAV doesn't have very good feed to beef conversion ratios. Midland and Clemson bull test keep tract on how much a bull eats and how long the bull has his head stuck in a feed trough. This is very important to most of us that don't show or sell bulls.
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Re: God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

Post by Ebenezer » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:33 pm

I'm pretty sure that when Conan of Wye was at his height of popularity that people said, "this is as good as it gets folks"
You keep mentioning this bull. Tell us about the daughters. And tell us why he became unpopular. Is he a true icon or a barn legend? How did he prove out?

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