God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

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Re: God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

Post by bse » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:33 pm

I read on another site $80 semen $80 certificate so if you don't use the knife or have females to register its $160 just to get the semen and register the calf..



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Re: God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

Post by ALACOWMAN » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:48 pm

Bestoutwest wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:21 pm
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he comes from a proven Sire and Dam ..Course he's his own individual .. But I wouldn't want too take bets against him...way too much in his favor...but $80 feels better in my pocket.. :cowboy:
I know what you're saying, but how many spectacular race horses have foaled duds? I'd rather spend $20-30 on a straw, $40 on the certificate and $10 on beer.
Thats true ,but I've also seen 2 of the ugliest people have a knock out daughter ..she attract a handsome fellow cause she's hotter than a match.but their offsprings are throw back ugly..there has to be some consistency,going back a few generations
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Re: God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

Post by Silver » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:49 pm

Redgully wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:26 pm
Silver wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:31 am
Bright Raven wrote:
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I cannot see how anyone selling commercial calves could justify semen higher than the average $20 to $30 dollars a straw considering the calf is going to a feeder lot.
A lot of us retain heifers. I would consider AI and over $30 if I though there was really something lacking in my females that I wanted to address quickly. Of course, that would only be if I couldn't source a walking bull that I thought would do the job.

I like to think a good bull to purchase should not cost more than the price of 5 good steer calves. Although it seems that good bull power has actually got cheaper as a ratio over the years.
So based on that formula $1,300 steer calves x5 = $6,500.
Bull used for 3 years x 25 calves a year = 75 calves
Works out to $86 per calf natural service.
Of course, the price paid for the bull and the length of time he sticks around changes the price per service quite quickly.
Most of my bulls the last few years have been between $3,500 and $5,000, so considering the quality I feel like I am getting a fair shake from my seedstock guys.

SAV America doesn't fit my program so I wouldn't be interested.
Not to mention being able to sell the bull once done. Wont bring top dollar but usually they are a good weight so go for a bit.
You know, some years it works out to it only costing a couple hundred bucks a year to keep a bull after a weigh up sale. Not that that should necessarily be what a feller is shooting for when buying bulls, but it does make a difference in the cost per service equation for sure.

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Re: God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

Post by Bestoutwest » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:23 pm

Brookhill Angus wrote:
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Bright Raven wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:38 pm
Bestoutwest wrote:
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I still can't see justifying $80/straw on an unproven bull when there's literally dozens of bulls with better percentages on solid numbers for a fraction of the price. And I'm not talking about junk bulls, I'm talking bulls that are still pretty strong. The difference is that those other bulls have been doing it, for multiple herds, and proving that they're pretty good.

Maybe in a few years he'll prove his weight in gold, but for now I just don't see it.
If you wait, you are too late.
There is definitely a first mover advantage, but for those that have to see a bull perform for years and years, then they need to breed to Hoover Dam or MYTTY in Focus. I have progeny from both in my herd, but nobody will be excited about buying those names at this point, they are old news in the eyes of many.

I just finished breeding some cows to EXAR Denver 2002B for my own personal use, because if I offered the progeny, nobody would be interested in calves out of him anymore. I'm trying for some daughters, and if I get sons they probably won't sell for much. He's a really good bull, but like I said, yesterday's news.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but guy will pay more for a junky calf with newer bloodlines than a well built one with “older” bloodlines?
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Re: God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

Post by Bright Raven » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:32 pm

Bestoutwest wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:23 pm
Brookhill Angus wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:46 pm
Bright Raven wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:38 pm


If you wait, you are too late.
There is definitely a first mover advantage, but for those that have to see a bull perform for years and years, then they need to breed to Hoover Dam or MYTTY in Focus. I have progeny from both in my herd, but nobody will be excited about buying those names at this point, they are old news in the eyes of many.

I just finished breeding some cows to EXAR Denver 2002B for my own personal use, because if I offered the progeny, nobody would be interested in calves out of him anymore. I'm trying for some daughters, and if I get sons they probably won't sell for much. He's a really good bull, but like I said, yesterday's news.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but guy will pay more for a junky calf with newer bloodlines than a well built one with “older” bloodlines?
I disagree. Lots of folks respect the old bloodlines.
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Re: God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

Post by Bestoutwest » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:06 pm

Bright Raven wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:32 pm
Bestoutwest wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:23 pm
Brookhill Angus wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:46 pm


There is definitely a first mover advantage, but for those that have to see a bull perform for years and years, then they need to breed to Hoover Dam or MYTTY in Focus. I have progeny from both in my herd, but nobody will be excited about buying those names at this point, they are old news in the eyes of many.

I just finished breeding some cows to EXAR Denver 2002B for my own personal use, because if I offered the progeny, nobody would be interested in calves out of him anymore. I'm trying for some daughters, and if I get sons they probably won't sell for much. He's a really good bull, but like I said, yesterday's news.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but guy will pay more for a junky calf with newer bloodlines than a well built one with “older” bloodlines?
I disagree. Lots of folks respect the old bloodlines.
I agree with you, it was more of a sarcastic question. I’m pretty sure good animals always bring a premium.
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Re: God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

Post by jehosofat » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:09 pm

20 pages of I'm the sheit, or I'll buy what IS the sheit. You commercial guys are beneath me.

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Re: God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

Post by Bar23 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:33 pm

Can’t wait to start talking politics in 2020 with you guys ha ha! #MAGA

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Re: God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

Post by TennesseeTuxedo » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:41 pm

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Re: God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

Post by Mod2 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:43 pm

Bar23 wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:33 pm
Can’t wait to start talking politics in 2020 with you guys ha ha! #MAGA

That will draw a lock or delete pretty quickly. You can bet it will be flagged almost immediately.

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Re: God Bless America! SAV America 8018 to be exact.

Post by Brookhill Angus » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:45 pm

I wish I had never started this thread, it's become "Fight Club"

Would the MOD please delete the whole thing, ASAP!
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