What I've been breeding towards

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Re: What I've been breeding towards

Post by Caustic Burno » Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:03 am

BFE wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:26 am
Caustic Burno wrote:
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Brute 23 wrote:
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People can talk all day about it being cheaper to buy them but there is nothing like the feeling of making your replacement cows and getting them how you want them. Once you get in a rhythm where you know you have x amount coming in and x amount going out it's a good feeling. Not having to hunt up cattle or worry about where your going to get screwed next is worth every penny.
On this we will agree to disagree grasshopper.

I can’t raise them like this for 1200 bucks.
What would you breed those to cb?
Angus works great.
My hay partner and I are discussing a registered Brahman.
That should make some fine heifers to sale, we’ll take a hit on the steer calf’s.


I run sale-barn cattle.

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Re: What I've been breeding towards

Post by Brute 23 » Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:54 am

No CB, you have it in your head you know me and you dont. None of what you just said matches any thing I've typed.

Speak your peace and move along. We dont have to agree.
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Re: What I've been breeding towards

Post by Brute 23 » Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:01 am

Very nice cattle Alowcowman. I'd take take a whole herd of them. Sorry for derailing your thread. :tiphat:
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Re: What I've been breeding towards

Post by ALACOWMAN » Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:22 am

Y'all didn't derail it..I've bought Several in the past and raised them both..we ain't none of us getting rich doing it.
as an adult,it's clear to me now...why Ernest T Bass, threw rocks at people..

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Re: What I've been breeding towards

Post by Brute 23 » Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:24 pm

ALACOWMAN wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:22 am
Y'all didn't derail it..I've bought Several in the past and raised them both..we ain't none of us getting rich doing it.
That's right, especially on the small scale of most producers... do what you enjoy. No need to fight over peanuts. Some people enjoy "the art of the deal" :) in buying cattle, probably cause they are good a it. That ain't me... I can screw up my own cattle... dont need to pay any one to do it for me. :lol2:
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Re: What I've been breeding towards

Post by Nesikep » Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:40 pm

Brute 23 wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:24 pm
ALACOWMAN wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:22 am
Y'all didn't derail it..I've bought Several in the past and raised them both..we ain't none of us getting rich doing it.
That's right, especially on the small scale of most producers... do what you enjoy. No need to fight over peanuts. Some people enjoy "the art of the deal" :) in buying cattle, probably cause they are good a it. That ain't me... I can screw up my own cattle... dont need to pay any one to do it for me. :lol2:
it's taken me 30 years to weed out the screwups in the cattle we bought to start with.. I think I'm finally getting over that phase and getting to more refined improvements
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Re: What I've been breeding towards

Post by ALACOWMAN » Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:50 pm

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as an adult,it's clear to me now...why Ernest T Bass, threw rocks at people..

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Re: What I've been breeding towards

Post by Stocker Steve » Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:54 pm

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Looks like you need therapy.
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Re: What I've been breeding towards

Post by Stocker Steve » Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:00 pm

U of Neb publishes an annual Beef Heifer Replacement Forecast. They use the government forecast of future cow-calf returns each year to calculate a breakeven replacement value today for different levels of annual cow care cost and cow longevity. The lower the annual cow care cost and the lower the culling rate - - the higher the breakeven value of a replacement. This value is the same whether you buy or raise the heifer.

The underlying issue is they are not expecting a beef market come back for several years. :( So then you can not afford to pay much today for a replacement, that will be producing most of her lifetime calves in the upcoming low return years, if your goal is to make a profit.
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Re: What I've been breeding towards

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Re: What I've been breeding towards

Post by Caustic Burno » Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:38 pm

Stocker Steve wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:00 pm
U of Neb publishes an annual Beef Heifer Replacement Forecast. They use the government forecast of future cow-calf returns each year to calculate a breakeven replacement value today for different levels of annual cow care cost and cow longevity. The lower the annual cow care cost and the lower the culling rate - - the higher the breakeven value of a replacement. This value is the same whether you buy or raise the heifer.

The underlying issue is they are not expecting a beef market come back for several years. :( So then you can not afford to pay much today for a replacement, that will be producing most of her lifetime calves in the upcoming low return years, if your goal is to make a profit.
When I was running wide open for me I used a calculator by one of the Ag Universities. I don’t remember which one but it was a really good one for cull cows as well.
Lost it in computer changes somewhere along the line.
I thought it was out of Oklahoma.
I run sale-barn cattle.

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Re: What I've been breeding towards

Post by TCRanch » Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:14 pm

Well, here's my $.02. I haven't bought a cow or heifer since our original 33 bred coming 3 year olds (still have one, bless her ancient heart). I love retaining my own heifers. I know absolutely everything about them, including their dams & sires history. The ones I retain are selected based on lineage: early calvers, health history, docility, structure, weaning weights, etc. My heifers are also pelvic measured and bred to a calving ease bull so I know (appx) when they're going to calve and don't anticipate any problems. Plus I have no concerns about biosecurity.

Am I losing money initially? Maybe. I don't put the pencil to the paper because my goals are long term. My calves sell extremely well - same buyer every year and they know they're getting healthy, preconditioned calves.

Am I running just a business? Nope, not at all. I love what I do - and that's worth a lot.

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Re: What I've been breeding towards

Post by gizmom » Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:09 pm

I sure like the look of that cow, Oldhe bloodlines are know for their mothering ability as well as their ability to maintain condition. We visited their operation three years ago and the cattle are sure impressive. I didn’t know you had been sick AC sure hope your on the mend! Your cattle look great!

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Re: What I've been breeding towards

Post by Caustic Burno » Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:13 pm

I guess mine are all just crap as all but one have came through the salebarn.
I will take this garbage all day.

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Re: What I've been breeding towards

Post by Post Oak » Tue Aug 04, 2020 10:06 pm

ALACOWMAN wrote:
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Image their sire..
Who’s the daddy of that bull?

I smell an Ohlde in the woodpile

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