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Re: Another shot dead by Mpls police

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:17 pm
by Son of Butch
The jury reached a verdict in the trial of officer Muhamed Noor today in the shooting death of
Justine Damond. Officer Noor guilty on 2 of 3 charges... 2nd degree murder - Not Guilty

3rd degree murder - Guilty
2nd degree manslaughter - Guilty

Noor was taken into custody and sentencing will done another day.

Re: Another shot dead by Mpls police

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:30 pm
by Son of Butch
Hook2.0 wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:00 pm
Horrible thing.
Horrible... ? . guilty on 2 counts... so you disagree with the verdict because you thought Noor
should've been found Not Guilty on all 3 counts because he was innocent or bcs a police officer?

Re: Another shot dead by Mpls police

Posted: Wed May 01, 2019 1:07 am
by greybeard
Or maybe he meant it was a horrible thing that the un-neccessary and unprovoked death of an innocent person happened?

Re: Another shot dead by Mpls police

Posted: Wed May 01, 2019 3:14 am
by wbvs58
Just tragic all round.

Ken

Re: Another shot dead by Mpls police

Posted: Wed May 01, 2019 4:13 am
by Son of Butch
What I thought was horrible was the behavior of the investigating police sargent after she arrived
on the scene. It came out at trial that she turned her body camera off and on 3 times at the scene,
to make sure neither of the officers statements about what happened would be recorded.
Allowing them a full day to get their stories straight in private for the official report.
She also signed off on having the car cleaned, before a different investigator put a stop to that
by having it impounded the next morning. 51 sets of finger prints were found on the car.
None of them belonging to Justine. Which kind of poked a hole in the official story that the
victim came up and slapped the car, causing officer Noor to react as he did.

To me this sargent's actions and behavior could be viewed 3 ways, corrupt (unlikely)
incompetent (likely) or arrogant in believing police officers have protection not afforded to others.
In effect intentionally or unintentionally elevating police officers to a position above the law.

Re: Another shot dead by Mpls police

Posted: Wed May 01, 2019 6:44 am
by Son of Butch
There is a segment within the community calling the verdict blatantly unfair and biased against
officer Noor based on the victim being white and his religion. Their activists are planning a rally.
Though it shouldn't matter the sargent mentioned above was white and the jury of 12 who reach the
unanimous decision included 6 persons of color, 2 of whom were musilm and a buddhist.

Re: Another shot dead by Mpls police

Posted: Wed May 01, 2019 6:53 am
by True Grit Farms
Take it for what it's worth, I don't feel Noor shot her just for the pleasure of killing her. There's some things in life where sorry just doesn't cut it, and this is one of those.

Re: Another shot dead by Mpls police

Posted: Wed May 01, 2019 7:11 am
by Son of Butch
3rd degree murder is an almost unheard of charge and verdict.
It is my understanding it finds that he intentionally pulled the trigger, but a lesser degree with
intent to murder due extenuating circumstances agitating his state of mind when he decided to fire.

Re: Another shot dead by Mpls police

Posted: Wed May 01, 2019 7:22 am
by ga.prime
Noor should have never been a policeman, probably got hired to fill a quota. Should have been given a desk job.

Re: Another shot dead by Mpls police

Posted: Wed May 01, 2019 7:23 am
by Son of Butch
What gets me is it appeared it was well on it's way to being swept under the carpet until the
realization of national/international attention.

Re: Another shot dead by Mpls police

Posted: Wed May 01, 2019 7:28 am
by Son of Butch
ga.prime wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 7:22 am
Noor should have never been a policeman, probably got hired to fill a quota. Should have been given a desk job.
He was recruited and fast tracked in a special program with a goal of increasing Mpls police force
diversity on the streets asap. It appeared to back fire as the lesbian chief of police was fired...
making the police force even less diverse.

Now they have to try to find a lesbian, Smolian, muslim police officer all because they allowed him to carry a bullet for his gun.

Re: Another shot dead by Mpls police

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:46 pm
by Son of Butch
update:

Muhamed Noor was sentenced today, sentencing guidelines called for 11-15 years in prison.
He received 12 1/2 years and he will be eligible for parole in 8 yrs 4 months in 2027.

IF I were the judge: 11 yrs with parole after 7 yrs 4 months.
Incarcerating him beyond 7.33 years serves no real purpose and only costs taxpayers more.

IMO - sentences longer than 6 yrs for crimes without intent risks creating more resentment and
bitterness upon release which makes return to society in a good state of mind more difficult.

The city of Minneapolis settled out of court with Justine's family for 22 million dollars.

Re: Another shot dead by Mpls police

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:06 pm
by greybeard
I think the sentence was more fair than we see most of the time in these type shootings.
What's another year of taxpayer payout for prison time when viewed as the taxpayer paying the $22 million settlement..at very least, the taxpayer boots the bill for the city's liability insurance.
IMO, the shooter should have had to pay a good part of that financial settlement, but I also realize that isn't how it works.

Re: Another shot dead by Mpls police

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:20 pm
by Son of Butch
Son of Butch wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:46 pm
update:

Muhamed Noor was sentenced today, sentencing guidelines called for 11-15 years in prison.
He received 12 1/2 years and he will be eligible for parole in 8 yrs 4 months in 2027.

IF I were the judge: 11 yrs with parole after 7 yrs 4 months.
Incarcerating him beyond 7.33 years serves no real purpose and only costs taxpayers more.

IMO - sentences longer than 6 yrs for crimes without intent risks creating more resentment and
bitterness upon release which makes return to society in a good state of mind more difficult.

The city of Minneapolis settled out of court with Justine's family for 22 million dollars.
Last week Mohamed Noor age 33 was transferred from Mn prison to North Dakota prison due
to concerns regarding his safety. He is scheduled to be released August 30, 2027.

Re: Another shot dead by Mpls police

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 5:12 pm
by Carpenter2n
Son of Butch wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:46 pm
update:

Muhamed Noor was sentenced today, sentencing guidelines called for 11-15 years in prison.
He received 12 1/2 years and he will be eligible for parole in 8 yrs 4 months in 2027.

IF I were the judge: 11 yrs with parole after 7 yrs 4 months.
Incarcerating him beyond 7.33 years serves no real purpose and only costs taxpayers more.

IMO - sentences longer than 6 yrs for crimes without intent risks creating more resentment and
bitterness upon release which makes return to society in a good state of mind more difficult.
Seems to me he has already displayed a level of resentment and a negative state of mind in shooting an unarmed woman. IMO, who gives a rats ____ about his state of mind. He took an oath to serve and protect, and instead he chose to shoot without any attempt to clarify a situation.


The city of Minneapolis settled out of court with Justine's family for 22 million dollars.

This is a red herring. It is completely irrelevant to his sentencing /punishment. I doubt her family feels it compensates them for their loss.