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What would happen

Postby hurleyjd » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:06 am

What would happen if China who produces 90% of the rare earth minerals world wide shut the world off from these minerals. Would the other countries be able to ramp up production. Rare earth minerals are used in nearly everything such as compact starter for automobiles, colored TVs solar panels, wind powered generators. Chips for computers and cell phones. Anything else that comes to mind please post. Also China tied up all of the mineral rights in Afghanistan. Also a lot of minerals in Africa.
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Re: What would happen

Postby ddd75 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:48 am

i thought most of that was mined by african slave children.
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Re: What would happen

Postby jehosofat » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:32 am

ddd75 wrote:i thought most of that was mined by african slave children.


Your thinking about cotton. :lol2:
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Re: What would happen

Postby Bright Raven » Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:55 am

What would happen: a global trade war, par excellence! The US and its allies would retaliate.

Why would they? They got the world right where they want them. I like their future!
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Re: What would happen

Postby jltrent » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:02 am

I have heard this before. We have enough junk already with this in it to last forever if needed to reuse. We have this in the US, but our environmental agency keeps from allowing it to be mined because of the impact on the environment and would cost more for us to mine than to buy from China. Kinda like the oil, after fracking, shale oil, and ethanol got cheap enough we no longer need their oil.

https://www.ft.com/content/2c3dea3e-3fc ... 6b95f30f58

https://www.marketplace.org/2017/06/26/ ... tals-china
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Re: What would happen

Postby Bright Raven » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:19 am

jltrent wrote:I have heard this before. We have enough junk already with this in it to last forever if needed to reuse. We have this in the US, but our environmental agency keeps from allowing it to be mined because of the impact on the environment and would cost more for us to mine than to buy from China. Kinda like the oil, after fracking, shale oil, and ethanol got cheap enough we no longer need their oil.

https://www.ft.com/content/2c3dea3e-3fc ... 6b95f30f58

https://www.marketplace.org/2017/06/26/ ... tals-china


Trent: Environmental Agencies may be the armpit of all creation but they CANNOT LEGISLATE! Agencies of state and federal government can ONLY (legally) carry out the mandate of the legislatures of this great nation and its states. In my entire 33 year career with the federal civil service and limited time as a liaison to regulatory agencies in my capacity with Tesoro Coal Company, I am not aware of a single case where an agency acted on it's own authority to stop any mine or mining activity. What I think you mean is that the environmental agencies are authorized by legislative action to enforce the mandate of elected officials who may set aside certain areas from mining activity.

PS: I acknowledge that someone can dig up some fake news that says "EPA stops mining in Stinking Creek Canyon". If they did, it was under the authorities vested in them by legislative action.
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Re: What would happen

Postby ga.prime » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:28 am

Compensation would be made one way or another. Same shyte, different day.
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Re: What would happen

Postby jltrent » Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:20 pm

Bright Raven wrote:
jltrent wrote:I have heard this before. We have enough junk already with this in it to last forever if needed to reuse. We have this in the US, but our environmental agency keeps from allowing it to be mined because of the impact on the environment and would cost more for us to mine than to buy from China. Kinda like the oil, after fracking, shale oil, and ethanol got cheap enough we no longer need their oil.

https://www.ft.com/content/2c3dea3e-3fc ... 6b95f30f58

https://www.marketplace.org/2017/06/26/ ... tals-china


Trent: Environmental Agencies may be the armpit of all creation but they CANNOT LEGISLATE! Agencies of state and federal government can ONLY (legally) carry out the mandate of the legislatures of this great nation and its states. In my entire 33 year career with the federal civil service and limited time as a liaison to regulatory agencies in my capacity with Tesoro Coal Company, I am not aware of a single case where an agency acted on it's own authority to stop any mine or mining activity. What I think you mean is that the environmental agencies are authorized by legislative action to enforce the mandate of elected officials who may set aside certain areas from mining activity.

PS: I acknowledge that someone can dig up some fake news that says "EPA stops mining in Stinking Creek Canyon". If they did, it was under the authorities vested in them by legislative action.
The same thing I said, except you went into more detail and broke it down step by step.
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Re: What would happen

Postby Bright Raven » Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:24 pm

My point is: elected officials of both parties are responsible for removing lands from mining.
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Re: What would happen

Postby jltrent » Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:30 pm

Bright Raven wrote:My point is: elected officials of both parties are responsible for removing lands from mining.
Elected officials run our country, as I remember a former elected President that just about ruined the coal industry with the environmental people he put in place.
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Re: What would happen

Postby Bright Raven » Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:39 pm

jltrent wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:My point is: elected officials of both parties are responsible for removing lands from mining.
Elected officials run our country, as I remember a former elected President that just about ruined the coal industry with the environmental people he put in place.


It was and is a function of economics. Obviously, some benefit from spinning it that way. Be that as it is, my only objective is understanding where the authority of agencies comes from. The elected officials like to do things then when they go sour, blame someone else. Both parties play that game. You know that. We all do.
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Re: What would happen

Postby jltrent » Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:48 pm

Bright Raven wrote:
jltrent wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:My point is: elected officials of both parties are responsible for removing lands from mining.
Elected officials run our country, as I remember a former elected President that just about ruined the coal industry with the environmental people he put in place.


It was and is a function of economics. Obviously, some benefit from spinning it that way. Be that as it is, my only objective is understanding where the authority of agencies comes from. The elected officials like to do things then when they go sour, blame someone else. Both parties play that game. You know that. We all do.
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Re: What would happen

Postby True Grit Farms » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:38 pm

The liberals wanted the EPA, and the Republicans were bought off trying to be politically correct. Same as this illegal immigration bs, except both sides know their illegal and law breakers. Lots of picking and choosing on both sides, I just don't want to be picked.
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Re: What would happen

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Re: What would happen

Postby Brute 23 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:49 pm

Coal did not fall because of govt regulation. It fell because of economics. If your looking for some one to blame, blame cheap natural gas.
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