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Re: President Sold Out

Postby jltrent » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:52 pm

With the price cattle are bringing around here I don't see how anybody could make any money if they buy all their hay/feed selling cattle at market prices. The only way I have made it,is working a public job and using the farm as a good tax write off. You dam sure don't make much. You put clothes on you back and a car and what you make on a public job is yours as everything you make on a farm goes back into it.
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Re: President Sold Out

Postby midTN_Brangusman » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:00 pm

sstterry wrote:I know the feeling of frustration. I have a 10' hydraulic brush hog that got into some 12 ga high tensile wire last year. It is completely wrapped around both spindles underneath. I have tried and tired to figure a way to get access to fix it, but there is just no way. I am now going to have to have someone pick it up and take it to their shop so it can be put on a lift to get it fixed. I have fought with the darn thing for two weeks and I am now just frustrated that I am going to have to spend all that money to fix it!


Been there, I just flipped mine over very softly with the fil
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Re: President Sold Out

Postby midTN_Brangusman » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:02 pm

I have always thought you can buy hay cheaper than you can produce it. Run more cows on the hay land.
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Re: President Sold Out

Postby jltrent » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:10 pm

midTN_Brangusman wrote:I have always thought you can buy hay cheaper than you can produce it. Run more cows on the hay land.
I have never bought my hay as you maybe right as some years with a good hay crop hay is pretty cheap. I still believe I can grow it cheaper than buy though most years.
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Re: President Sold Out

Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:11 pm

midTN_Brangusman wrote:I have always thought you can buy hay cheaper than you can produce it. Run more cows on the hay land.


I'm testing that theory this year. I'm running 120 head plus 90 calves on ground that used to carry 70 plus calves and produce hay. We're not cutting any hay this year.

Gonna be interesting to say the least. We've put up 371 rolls thus far from our normal hay ground that's not fenced and this time last year we had 600. We fed over 1,000 rolls this past winter.
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Re: President Sold Out

Postby True Grit Farms » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:22 pm

midTN_Brangusman wrote:I have always thought you can buy hay cheaper than you can produce it. Run more cows on the hay land.
For starters there's a lot of ground available that you can cut hay on that you can't graze. And without hay equipment how do you take advantage of the good times? I cut 81 rolls off pastures that I normally need for grazing.
I don't like buying hay but I did this year because it was so dry early. We'll be selling hay for sure this year, the amount depends on the rain.
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Re: President Sold Out

Postby Lucky » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:31 pm

TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
midTN_Brangusman wrote:I have always thought you can buy hay cheaper than you can produce it. Run more cows on the hay land.


I'm testing that theory this year. I'm running 120 head plus 90 calves on ground that used to carry 70 plus calves and produce hay. We're not cutting any hay this year.

Gonna be interesting to say the least. We've put up 371 rolls thus far from our normal hay ground that's not fenced and this time last year we had 600. We fed over 1,000 rolls this past winter.


Did you feed 1,000 rolls to 120 cows and 70 calves? If so that’s amazing. Were the cows wet and the calves weaned yearlings? How much did the rolls weigh?
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Re: President Sold Out

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True Grit Farms wrote:
midTN_Brangusman wrote:I have always thought you can buy hay cheaper than you can produce it. Run more cows on the hay land.
For starters, there's a lot of ground available that you can cut hay on that you can't graze. And without hay equipment how do you take advantage of the good times? I cut 81 rolls off pastures that I normally need for grazing.
I don't like buying hay but I did this year because it was so dry early. We'll be selling hay for sure this year, the amount depends on the rain.

With the late spring we had, I almost ran out and was tempted to buy hay. So far our area has decent rain and even though it was late, we got a good first cutting and it looks like the second cutting will be above average. But I am different than most of you, it is my land, my fertilize and my upkeep. I have a friend that mows, rolls and puts it in the shed for me for 1/2 of the hay. But seriously, I have thought about just buying it so that I can utilize those fields for pasture. After looking at the numbers, the cost of fertilizer, lime and spray are are just about equal to what I can buy it for.
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Re: President Sold Out

Postby sstterry » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:18 pm

jltrent wrote:With the price cattle are bringing around here I don't see how anybody could make any money if they buy all their hay/feed selling cattle at market prices. The only way I have made it,is working a public job and using the farm as a good tax write off. You dam sure don't make much. You put clothes on you back and a car and what you make on a public job is yours as everything you make on a farm goes back into it.

I just read the Tennessee Livestock Market Report from the University of Tennessee, and that economist is very optimistic on Fall and Winter calf prices. But no one is going to get rich doing this!
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Re: President Sold Out

Postby True Grit Farms » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:20 pm

I could never afford to have someone cut my hay on halves. I average around $15 a roll in fertilizer and herbicides most years.
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Re: President Sold Out

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sstterry wrote:
True Grit Farms wrote:
midTN_Brangusman wrote:I have always thought you can buy hay cheaper than you can produce it. Run more cows on the hay land.
For starters, there's a lot of ground available that you can cut hay on that you can't graze. And without hay equipment how do you take advantage of the good times? I cut 81 rolls off pastures that I normally need for grazing.
I don't like buying hay but I did this year because it was so dry early. We'll be selling hay for sure this year, the amount depends on the rain.

With the late spring we had, I almost ran out and was tempted to buy hay. So far our area has decent rain and even though it was late, we got a good first cutting and it looks like the second cutting will be above average. But I am different than most of you, it is my land, my fertilize and my upkeep. I have a friend that mows, rolls and puts it in the shed for me for 1/2 of the hay. But seriously, I have thought about just buying it so that I can utilize those fields for pasture. After looking at the numbers, the cost of fertilizer, lime and spray are are just about equal to what I can buy it for.

So different on my side of the river. I bet I'm not 30 miles north of you and unless it changes there will be no second cutting. Grass is Brown.
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Re: President Sold Out

Postby sstterry » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:13 pm

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True Grit Farms wrote: For starters, there's a lot of ground available that you can cut hay on that you can't graze. And without hay equipment how do you take advantage of the good times? I cut 81 rolls off pastures that I normally need for grazing.
I don't like buying hay but I did this year because it was so dry early. We'll be selling hay for sure this year, the amount depends on the rain.

With the late spring we had, I almost ran out and was tempted to buy hay. So far our area has decent rain and even though it was late, we got a good first cutting and it looks like the second cutting will be above average. But I am different than most of you, it is my land, my fertilize and my upkeep. I have a friend that mows, rolls and puts it in the shed for me for 1/2 of the hay. But seriously, I have thought about just buying it so that I can utilize those fields for pasture. After looking at the numbers, the cost of fertilizer, lime and spray are are just about equal to what I can buy it for.

So different on my side of the river. I bet I'm not 30 miles north of you and unless it changes there will be no second cutting. Grass is Brown.


I hope you get some of the rain that is headed our way this weekend!
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Re: President Sold Out

Postby kenny thomas » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:15 pm

Sure hope so. Years ago I hauled calves to a buyer that used an old stockyard in Bulls gap. Is the old barn still there?
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Re: President Sold Out

Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:35 pm

Lucky wrote:
TennesseeTuxedo wrote:
midTN_Brangusman wrote:I have always thought you can buy hay cheaper than you can produce it. Run more cows on the hay land.


I'm testing that theory this year. I'm running 120 head plus 90 calves on ground that used to carry 70 plus calves and produce hay. We're not cutting any hay this year.

Gonna be interesting to say the least. We've put up 371 rolls thus far from our normal hay ground that's not fenced and this time last year we had 600. We fed over 1,000 rolls this past winter.


Did you feed 1,000 rolls to 120 cows and 70 calves? If so that’s amazing. Were the cows wet and the calves weaned yearlings? How much did the rolls weigh?


The first 700 were 4x5s but I don't know the weight. All of them were from 2017. Most of the next 200 were of similar origin. The last of it was 2 year old hay that lost quite a bit to the elements.

I don't want to go through another winter like we just had any time soon.
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Re: President Sold Out

Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:39 pm

The calves at the time were from the class of 2017 and I sold them in early February of this year. There were approximately 85 of them.
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