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Re: Moving Confederate Statues

Postby Fieldhand » Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:23 am

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I'll speak for myself and can say that I would welcome ALL of US history acknowledge in some sort of fashion. It would be a great reminder of not repeating the bad.


So would you consider statues for the losers “Participation Statues?”


Do you consider these 'participation statues'?

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Re: Moving Confederate Statues

Postby Fieldhand » Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:27 am

hurleyjd wrote:If true history was taught and not the sanitized version we now have then where would we be.


Good question that's interesting to contemplate.

Another is, if told true history and supported by hard evidence, would we be able to accept it?
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Re: Moving Confederate Statues

Postby Bestoutwest » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:22 am

greybeard wrote:
Bestoutwest wrote:
slick4591 wrote:
I'll speak for myself and can say that I would welcome ALL of US history acknowledge in some sort of fashion. It would be a great reminder of not repeating the bad.


So would you consider statues for the losers “Participation Statues?”


Do you consider these 'participation statues'?

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I guess next you will postulate we should raze the Alamo or put up a statue of Santa Anna in it's place?

(I believe it is one of those yankee states that has quite a homage to the self proclaimed Napoleon of the West--big wall portrait and his peg leg on display)
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If you don’t think the statues of confederate leaders weren’t a big hip hip to the North and black folks you’re kidding yourself. Putting a statue of a guy who wanted to form his own republic to keep people enslaved on the very tool they used to sell said people is pretty deep symbolism. Secondly, do you see any statues of Kennedy, Johnson or Nixon kicking around Vietnam? Where there any Hitler statues in East Germany? Saddam’s was pulled down the second that they could.
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Re: Moving Confederate Statues

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Re: Moving Confederate Statues

Postby Caustic Burno » Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:00 am

Bestoutwest wrote:
greybeard wrote:
Bestoutwest wrote:
So would you consider statues for the losers “Participation Statues?”


Do you consider these 'participation statues'?

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I guess next you will postulate we should raze the Alamo or put up a statue of Santa Anna in it's place?

(I believe it is one of those yankee states that has quite a homage to the self proclaimed Napoleon of the West--big wall portrait and his peg leg on display)
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If you don’t think the statues of confederate leaders weren’t a big hip hip to the North and black folks you’re kidding yourself. Putting a statue of a guy who wanted to form his own republic to keep people enslaved on the very tool they used to sell said people is pretty deep symbolism. Secondly, do you see any statues of Kennedy, Johnson or Nixon kicking around Vietnam? Where there any Hitler statues in East Germany? Saddam’s was pulled down the second that they could.



What is the difference in 13 colonies or 13 states .
I guess you think this statement is like some streets one way.
If you truly believe in the document just like the bill of rights, they had every right to separate.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
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Re: Moving Confederate Statues

Postby hurleyjd » Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:26 am

Any one watched the FREE STATE OF JONES movie about a Mississippi farmer named Newt Knight rebelling against the confederacy. Based on a true story.
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Re: Moving Confederate Statues

Postby Jogeephus » Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:47 am

hurleyjd wrote:Any one watched the FREE STATE OF JONES movie about a Mississippi farmer named Newt Knight rebelling against the confederacy. Based on a true story.


I didn't watch it because I don't like Matthew McConaughey. I think he is a poor actor and is self centered and shallow especially after I learned he - as a child - sued a friend of his mother who had sold her some product and they used it improperly and his face broke out in a rash which they claimed disfigured him for life. They sued for a lot of money only to lose when the defense attorney produced his high school yearbook showing him to be voted the best looking guy in high school and the picture was taken after they claimed the disfigurement. He admitted this in an interview and laughed about it saying it was worth a try. POS in my view and that mentality is what's wrong with the country today.

Glad to see that movie lost 50 cents on every dollar spent on production and hope it ends his "acting" career.
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Re: Moving Confederate Statues

Postby Bestoutwest » Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:43 pm

Caustic Burno wrote:
Bestoutwest wrote:
greybeard wrote:
(I believe it is one of those yankee states that has quite a homage to the self proclaimed Napoleon of the West--big wall portrait and his peg leg on display)
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If you don’t think the statues of confederate leaders weren’t a big hip hip to the North and black folks you’re kidding yourself. Putting a statue of a guy who wanted to form his own republic to keep people enslaved on the very tool they used to sell said people is pretty deep symbolism. Secondly, do you see any statues of Kennedy, Johnson or Nixon kicking around Vietnam? Where there any Hitler statues in East Germany? Saddam’s was pulled down the second that they could.



What is the difference in 13 colonies or 13 states .
I guess you think this statement is like some streets one way.
If you truly believe in the document just like the bill of rights, they had every right to separate.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.


I wholeheartedly agree with a state’s right to separate. I wish California would. The north should have let the south go, it would have saved countless lives, minimized destruction, and they could have ruined them economically to show their might. But I believe they were afraid of the precedence it would have shown. Plus, the north was greedy and didn’t to give up its territory.
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Re: Moving Confederate Statues

Postby Bright Raven » Sat Jul 28, 2018 3:24 pm

Bestoutwest wrote:I wholeheartedly agree with a state’s right to separate. I wish California would. The north should have let the south go, it would have saved countless lives, minimized destruction, and they could have ruined them economically to show their might. But I believe they were afraid of the precedence it would have shown. Plus, the north was greedy and didn’t to give up its territory.


Best, experts in constitutional law and the SCOTUS have consistently held that States DO NOT have the right to secede from the Union. If that is your opinion so be it but it is not shared by the SCOTUS.
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Re: Moving Confederate Statues

Postby Fieldhand » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:07 pm

Did anyone profit from the Civil War? Who funded the war debt?

What legislation instigated the War, was a reaction predictable?

If we are going to suggest that the war monuments are solely about thumbing our noses at black people because of slavery, maybe we should actually look into who was deeply involved in slavery? True history is sometimes hard to swallow.

Where those that stood to profit from the War, in any way associated to those involved in the slave trade?

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Do these men trace there roots to being Southern "White" men?
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Ever read the Talmud? How is it different than the Old Testament or the Torah? Can a people with history of being a cult ever pervert another religion and call themselves something they truly aren't? Not possible? Have you ever traced the history of the Ashkenazi tribes?

Why is it possible to talk about the origins and actions of some peoples but not others?

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Have you ever read the Talmud?

"Just the Jews are humans, the non-Jews are no humans, but cattle" Kerithuth 6b, page 78, Jebhammoth 61


"The non-Jews have been created to serve the Jews as slaves" Midrasch Talpioth 225


"Sexual intercourse with non-Jews is like sexual intercourse with animals" Kethuboth 3b


"The birth rate of non-Jews has to be suppressed massively" Zohar 11,4b


"As you replace lost cows and donkeys, so you shall replace non-Jews" Lore Dea 377, 1



Is real history hard to swallow?
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Re: Moving Confederate Statues

Postby Caustic Burno » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:10 pm

Bright Raven wrote:
Bestoutwest wrote:I wholeheartedly agree with a state’s right to separate. I wish California would. The north should have let the south go, it would have saved countless lives, minimized destruction, and they could have ruined them economically to show their might. But I believe they were afraid of the precedence it would have shown. Plus, the north was greedy and didn’t to give up its territory.


Best, experts in constitutional law and the SCOTUS have consistently held that States DO NOT have the right to secede from the Union. If that is your opinion so be it but it is not shared by the SCOTUS.


It is not about right it is about power and money, always has been and always will be. The hypocrisy is thick the same argument the colonies used to separate from England didn’t hold water to separate from each other.
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Re: Moving Confederate Statues

Postby Bright Raven » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:38 pm

Caustic Burno wrote:
Bright Raven wrote:
Bestoutwest wrote:I wholeheartedly agree with a state’s right to separate. I wish California would. The north should have let the south go, it would have saved countless lives, minimized destruction, and they could have ruined them economically to show their might. But I believe they were afraid of the precedence it would have shown. Plus, the north was greedy and didn’t to give up its territory.


Best, experts in constitutional law and the SCOTUS have consistently held that States DO NOT have the right to secede from the Union. If that is your opinion so be it but it is not shared by the SCOTUS.


It is not about right it is about power and money, always has been and always will be. The hypocrisy is thick the same argument the colonies used to separate from England didn’t hold water to separate from each other.


Well said and as you put that, I agree. But Best used the word state's "right". They don't have the right as granted by the Constitution. As you say, money and power is what forced our Colonial fathers to capitulate. Plus a good dose of determination!
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Re: Moving Confederate Statues

Postby Hook2.0 » Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:45 pm

Fieldhand wrote:
hurleyjd wrote:If true history was taught and not the sanitized version we now have then where would we be.


Good question that's interesting to contemplate.

Another is, if told true history and supported by hard evidence, would we be able to accept it?
all one has to do is look into the facts of the “great“ president Lincoln to see how things get spun in the victors favor
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Re: Moving Confederate Statues

Postby TennesseeTuxedo » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:50 pm

Do I hear the unmistakable click of a Masterlock being snapped shut?
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Re: Moving Confederate Statues

Postby ga.prime » Sat Jul 28, 2018 5:57 pm

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